Monday, May 24, 2010

Arabian color question?

If an arabian is white, what color were they as a foal?
I haven't seen too many white ARABIAN foals.
Answers:
The horses you are seeing that look "white" are really grey. It's a common misconception that if a horse has white hair, that he is white... not true. A true white horse will have pink skin and is pretty rare, I believe the Dominant white gene doesn't even exist in the Arabian though and neither does Cremello/Perlino which can also cause a horse to look white. Now, a grey horse can be born ANY color as grey is not a color only a modifier, in the case of the Arabian it would be any of the colors found in the gene pool: chestnut, black, bay. Over time the hair loses it's pigment and turns different shades of grey and finally, completely white. Look at the skin around the muzzle and eyes... you'll see it's black, unless the horse has white markings. The eyes are also still a dark color. That's how you know it's a grey horse. If you can find pictures of a grey horse at a younger age you'll see the dramatic changes... dapple grey is my favorite, too bad they only stay that shade for so long. :)
Someone mentioned Sabino, this is also something that can cause a horse to look completely white if the white markings cover the entire body. I've never seen an Arabian with this extreme of sabino markings personally though.
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rsc IS correct, people. There are NO TRUE ALBINO HORSES. Just people people call them "albinos" doesn't make them real albinos genetically. You'd be surprised how often people label horse colors incorrectly because they base things off of what the horse looks like instead of what the genes say.
What's with all the thumbs-down for correct answers? Seriously people.
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Like any other horse, arabians are born a dark color, then turn grey as they get older. The only horses born 100% white, are lethal whites, this is a genetic issue, and these foals die within a couple days of being born. There is no such thing as an albino horse.
A purebred arabian can't be palomino, cremello or pearlino. These colors can apear to be white when the foal is born.
You can have an arabian that is sabino, meaning it has pinto coloring and genetics, but is a purebred arabain. I am not sure if these are able to be registered with the arabian horse registry. A sabino arabian may have pinto markings that make it appear to be primarily white.
Here is some info on sabino arabians: http://www.sahr.homestead.com/index.html...
More information on arab horse registry's rules and regulations: www.arabianhorses.org
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American Albino
COLOR BREED
OVERVIEW
This 'albino' horse is actually not a true albino but instead what the American Albino Horse Club (now known as the White Horse Club) calls Dominant White. A Dominant White can be any horse, Quarter, Arabian, Standardbred, etc., that has a white coat with pink skin and dark eyes - black, brown, or blue. A true albino would, of course, have pink eyes, meaning the Dominant White actually carries off-color genes
http://cowboyfrank.net/fortvalley/breeds...
There is no such thing as a true albino horse. Learn your genetics.
How old is he, probably black or gray.
It depends what you mean by "white." If they're truly white, they've got pink skin and were white from birth. If they're white-haired but have gray skin, they're actually gray, and were probably a darker gray as foals.
More than likely gray. I've since several horses begin as a slate gray (dark) color then turn into a dapple gray(light gray with white spotting), then white, then what they call "flea bitten" which is white with brown spots.
Ditto to "r s c". She knows what she's sayin'. ;-)
They are dark colored when they are small and gradually grow lighter when they get older so if the adult arabian is white, then that means that the foal was either black, or dark grey
Arabians are not born with white coats. They can be born with a bay, dark grey, or dingy brown coat and then will shed their baby coat and slick out to a dark grey or light grey. If they have grey hairs on their eyelids, and have one grey parent, they will be a grey. They may turn lighter as they get older, maybe even looking white, but white is not a recognized color of the Arabian Horse Association. Also Arabians are not registered as white, they
are grey.
When I worked at the WK Arabian Horse Center at Cal Poly, Pomona, during college, and for 7 years, I foaled out several hundred Arabian mares. Know them well. :^)
P.S.This is what it states in the rule book of the Arabian Horse Association of America:
"Most foals will begin to lose their fuzzy baby hair around the eyes and nostrils and the root of the tail first, followed by the legs. Check the color of the smooth hair in these areas. Usually, that will be the foal's permanent color.
If white hairs appear on any area of the face, the foal will usually be grey. Some horse owners say that if there are white or grey hairs on the foal's eyelids, and if that foal has at least one grey parent, the foal will be grey.
If the foal coat is replaced by black hair on the legs, the foal will usually be bay.
If the foal coat on the legs is replaced by chestnut hair, and the foal's mane and tail are not black, the foal will usually be chestnut.
The rule of genetics followed by the Association is that the mating of two chestnuts always results in a chestnut foal.
Another rule of genetics followed by the Association is that a foal will never turn grey unless one parent is grey.
Commonly, a horse that will be black is born a mousy grey color and a foal that is born looking black will not stay that color."
P.P.S. OK, I'll be nice. RSC, you are incorrect in stating that there is no such thing as an albino horse.
Go to this site,
www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/ho...
and check out the American Albino Registry and other white breeds.
I white Arab was born most likely Black and turned grey then white. If you bathe it you will see it's color and or spots on the skin it's self. Not all horses change colors after they are born, but Arabs do.
Arabs can not be reg. as a White horse only grey runs in that line.
they might have been white but usually they start out grey or even black like lippizans, then turn white as they get older
bye!
They can be born any color. Grey is a modifier gene that removes the pigment from the hair shaft. It is believed that the pigment is then stored elsewhere in the body and that is why grey horses frequently develop tumors.

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