okay, i've never gotten the idea of like say 1D arenas and 4D arenas. what are the sizes? what is the biggest and what is the smallest arena? what are the sizes in between them?
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There isn't a difference between 1D and 4D arenas. That actually doesn't even make sense. 1D and 4D have the do with the race itself. It's the division any specific time would fall into- 1D starts with the fastest time. (Say a 17.15 wins the race) To get the 4D you add 2 seconds to that fast time (19.15) If a time falls after this then your in the 4D. There is also a 2D (1/2 second added to winning time- 17.65) and a 3D (1 second added to winning time- 18.15). The rules change if you are running is a 5D race... but i won't get into that to keep from confusing you.
Now onto arenas. An arena can be ANY!!!!! size... But for any arena bigger than 130 ft. wide by 200 ft. long (approx. standard) the "WPRA Standard pattern" is:
60 feet from the score line (starting line) to the 1st and 2nd barrels
90 feet between the first and second barrels
105 feet from the 1st or 2nd barrels to the 3rd barrel (at the apex of the triangle).
In a smaller arena you can shorten each distance between barrels by five or ten foot increments.
A low 17. run is a good time for this pattern. World record time for a standard pattern was run by Tanya Steinhoff on Hot Shot in Guthrie OK. @ the Lazy E Arena in October 2002. She ran a blazing 16.644 (I know I was there!!)
maybe 150 by 200..thats how big the arena is where i go to barrel race.
Monday, May 24, 2010
Arena shape?
Alright, so ive got 20 arena panels, not including the fence. What is the easiest shape to with in? Like a squarish shape with rounded corners? A circle? an oval?
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the squarish shape with rounded corners gives you the most options. You need a longish stretch where the horse is going straight to work on gaits, sidepass, what have you.
try and oval but with stright aways to give you more room to lope
either way is ok, but remember you need room for any extensive training you might want to do, I believe if it was me, a circle would be more appropriate,but it really is up to you,and how much training you are planning have you had an arena before or seen one, take a look at some before making a decision, the size varies, and the room also. good luck!
I use a oval. I like that shape the best.
I prefer the square with rounded corners.
how long are the pannels?
What about a shape like this? It's like the ring I grew up riding on...
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(ignore the dots, I had to use them as spaces!)
:)
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the squarish shape with rounded corners gives you the most options. You need a longish stretch where the horse is going straight to work on gaits, sidepass, what have you.
try and oval but with stright aways to give you more room to lope
either way is ok, but remember you need room for any extensive training you might want to do, I believe if it was me, a circle would be more appropriate,but it really is up to you,and how much training you are planning have you had an arena before or seen one, take a look at some before making a decision, the size varies, and the room also. good luck!
I use a oval. I like that shape the best.
I prefer the square with rounded corners.
how long are the pannels?
What about a shape like this? It's like the ring I grew up riding on...
_____
/.....%26#92;
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%26#92; ______/
(ignore the dots, I had to use them as spaces!)
:)
Are you riding with Barbaro?
I am, are you?
Purchase a "Riding With Barbaro" wristband to help support money and find a cure for laminitis,
'Finally, a chance to give something back...'
http://www.ridingwithbarbaro.c...
-purchase a Barbaro bracelete for only $2.00 with shipping and handleing.
~~Thank You~~
-mel (yes it's me (melissa) my avatar is screwed up so if it's different then it normally is then its Y!A.)
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Thanks! Im going to buy one, I never even knew those existed! Keep spreading the word :]
I think it's a worthy cause and what people should remember next time they take a cheap shot at racing, is that it was a racehorse that raised the public's awareness of a disease that affects all horses and their owners and it is due to a racehorse that so much money is being raised for research.
Also I'm very aware that research has ben ongoing for years but only since Barbaro has the general public become more aware and actually dug in their pockets to aid funding.
that's sooooooooooooooo cool! i love horses and i loved barbaro. i cant believe they had to put him down. but can u please put the website again?? it didn't come out so you could click on it. i will definitely check it out
laminitis research has been ongoing for many years.
Yes, they have been out for quite a while now. I am considering getting a shipment and selling them, then donating the money to the Barbaro Fund.
Another way to donate is to get a Barbaro Breyer Model. $10 of the purchase priceis going to the Barbaro Fund.
When ever i see Barbaro or watch movies i have tears running down my cheeks... my trainer rescues race horses and most have had laminitis its very sad i had to help with one and most do not make it...i think im going to buy some for my friends and i that also ride and love horses like Barbaro! EVERYONE MAKE SURE YOU LET HIS SPIRIT LIVE ON! I made a little thing for him take a look i love it and please do not steel it thankz http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t156/...
Purchase a "Riding With Barbaro" wristband to help support money and find a cure for laminitis,
'Finally, a chance to give something back...'
http://www.ridingwithbarbaro.c...
-purchase a Barbaro bracelete for only $2.00 with shipping and handleing.
~~Thank You~~
-mel (yes it's me (melissa) my avatar is screwed up so if it's different then it normally is then its Y!A.)
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Thanks! Im going to buy one, I never even knew those existed! Keep spreading the word :]
I think it's a worthy cause and what people should remember next time they take a cheap shot at racing, is that it was a racehorse that raised the public's awareness of a disease that affects all horses and their owners and it is due to a racehorse that so much money is being raised for research.
Also I'm very aware that research has ben ongoing for years but only since Barbaro has the general public become more aware and actually dug in their pockets to aid funding.
that's sooooooooooooooo cool! i love horses and i loved barbaro. i cant believe they had to put him down. but can u please put the website again?? it didn't come out so you could click on it. i will definitely check it out
laminitis research has been ongoing for many years.
Yes, they have been out for quite a while now. I am considering getting a shipment and selling them, then donating the money to the Barbaro Fund.
Another way to donate is to get a Barbaro Breyer Model. $10 of the purchase priceis going to the Barbaro Fund.
When ever i see Barbaro or watch movies i have tears running down my cheeks... my trainer rescues race horses and most have had laminitis its very sad i had to help with one and most do not make it...i think im going to buy some for my friends and i that also ride and love horses like Barbaro! EVERYONE MAKE SURE YOU LET HIS SPIRIT LIVE ON! I made a little thing for him take a look i love it and please do not steel it thankz http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t156/...
Are you familiar with the blood lines of "Cowboys Gold" and what do u think of this stallion?
u can c his pedigree at www.cowboysgold.com
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Most of the horses in his pedigree are not really some of the bigger names that you see in the Paint Horse Journals as Leading Sires and Dams. BUT, with this horse, the proof is him, not his papers. He has shown, and he has offspring who have shown (and not just one either), that are currently competing, and currently doing quite well. He looks like he is producing versatile horses that are showing in HUS and Working Cowhorse. This is my kind of horse. One that is easy on the eye, had proven himself, and has babies that are doing the same thing in multiple events. These are not BYB breeders. Good Luck!
Sorry , I'm not fammilliar with him. I'll take a look at his pedigree though..
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Most of the horses in his pedigree are not really some of the bigger names that you see in the Paint Horse Journals as Leading Sires and Dams. BUT, with this horse, the proof is him, not his papers. He has shown, and he has offspring who have shown (and not just one either), that are currently competing, and currently doing quite well. He looks like he is producing versatile horses that are showing in HUS and Working Cowhorse. This is my kind of horse. One that is easy on the eye, had proven himself, and has babies that are doing the same thing in multiple events. These are not BYB breeders. Good Luck!
Sorry , I'm not fammilliar with him. I'll take a look at his pedigree though..
Are you aware of the National Animal ID System and how it will affect you?
http://libertyark.net/
http://xstatic99645.tripod.com/naisinfoc...
http://www.nonais.org/
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Yes, I know about it. It's the NWO plans again. They plan on chipping every animal in the U.S. More regulations and more control.
It's just Big Brother a work again
NO what is it, is it to do with horses or what??
i don't think that ID's should be mandatory, but all of my horses have been microchipped, tattooed or freeze branded.
I think that the monetary/sentimental value of the animal plays a large part. Would I ID a horse valued at less that at least 20k?
--Probably not...
I think that the government has better ways to spend money and time on than this.
The idea is rather silly. It doesn't appear to be thought through...
Well, they backed off on making it mandatory so it won't affect us - yet.
However, it gets harder to avoid these types of regulations as the world becomes smaller and problems of infection (especially of food supply animals) occur and animals need to be traced back to their point of origin.
In everything we do, we need to find a balance between protecting ourselves and our animals from problems with transporting (and possibly infecting new groups of animals) and the desire to not be watched and regulated at every turn.
Hopefully NAIS will never become mandatory because it would be a nightmare !
I don't see how it affects my life
I'm not informed enough on this subject at this time, I will now research every aspect. But! I do believe the intention is a good one.
Think for a minute of all the abused and neglected animals, both livestock and companion animals.
I also believe this system has a potential of terrible abuse by the the powers that be.
I will become more informed and voice my opinion at that time.
I also want to state, I own an Icelandic horse, she was imported to the United State in 2001, she is "chipped" and she can never return to Iceland, because they will not import any animals into the country. So in essence, she has been identified and verified where in the world she is.
http://xstatic99645.tripod.com/naisinfoc...
http://www.nonais.org/
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Yes, I know about it. It's the NWO plans again. They plan on chipping every animal in the U.S. More regulations and more control.
It's just Big Brother a work again
NO what is it, is it to do with horses or what??
i don't think that ID's should be mandatory, but all of my horses have been microchipped, tattooed or freeze branded.
I think that the monetary/sentimental value of the animal plays a large part. Would I ID a horse valued at less that at least 20k?
--Probably not...
I think that the government has better ways to spend money and time on than this.
The idea is rather silly. It doesn't appear to be thought through...
Well, they backed off on making it mandatory so it won't affect us - yet.
However, it gets harder to avoid these types of regulations as the world becomes smaller and problems of infection (especially of food supply animals) occur and animals need to be traced back to their point of origin.
In everything we do, we need to find a balance between protecting ourselves and our animals from problems with transporting (and possibly infecting new groups of animals) and the desire to not be watched and regulated at every turn.
Hopefully NAIS will never become mandatory because it would be a nightmare !
I don't see how it affects my life
I'm not informed enough on this subject at this time, I will now research every aspect. But! I do believe the intention is a good one.
Think for a minute of all the abused and neglected animals, both livestock and companion animals.
I also believe this system has a potential of terrible abuse by the the powers that be.
I will become more informed and voice my opinion at that time.
I also want to state, I own an Icelandic horse, she was imported to the United State in 2001, she is "chipped" and she can never return to Iceland, because they will not import any animals into the country. So in essence, she has been identified and verified where in the world she is.
Are thier any exersizes to build up muscel on the top of my horses rump?
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Im going to put it short and simple and if you need anymore help you know where to reach me:
Yes-- Lunging helps a lot or riding in ten meter circles. Do all sorts of excersizes like serpentines, figure eights and set up some cavalettis. You can also go trail riding on hilly areas if you have any around-- trotting is especially good for building up muscles-- if you and your horse like to swim together thats always good too!
lunging
Working with cavaletties can help. If you want a more fun, and laid back excersize - work on going up and down hills while out trail riding (especially the up parts) at a trot.
Hope it helps!
Lots of trotting!! Canter to trot to Canter transitions are good too. Rule of thumb...trotting builds muscle and cantering builds wind. Have fun trotting!
I have worked with hores for a long time, and there was this horse who hurt himself by bucking in an unsafe trailor. In order to strengthen his "rump" and back muscles, they lunged him in circles at a totting pace, and then had him abruptly switch directions. In between sessions of exersise, they had the vet chech him out, and his muscles improved after a short while. You should also try massage therpy. I hope that I could help you, and remember, it may take time.
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THE BEST IS TO FIND A HILLY AREA WHERE YOU CAN RIDE OR LEAD YOUR HORSE UP AND DOWN FOR ABOUT A !/2 HR. A DAY. DON'T OVERDO IT AND IF HE/SHE GETS OVERHEATED MAKE SURE YOU WALK THE HORSE TO COOL IT DOWN AND IF POSSIBLE HOSE IT DOWN AND USE AN ASTRINGENT SUCH AS ABSORBENT JR. RUB THE LEGS WITH IT SO SHE /HE DOESN'T GET SPLINTS.
trotting and going up hills is not as effective as getting them to really move under themselves... using thier back end at the walk , trot, canter... most riders ride very forward and in return thier horses move with the front end rather then the hind.. which hinders the development of muscle in the hind end. here is my suggestion... I don;t know if you ride western or english but this will work for both...
trotting in round pen will not help unless the horse is in proper frame and asked to work with its hind end... it is like a human excersizing... you might run a mile and get nothing out of it except cardio and muscle strength. but you won;t build muscles unless you run with weights or up hills.(a few trails won't help either it needs to be consistant up hill trot for 20 or so minutes)
Try asking for a lot of serpentines,circles and figure eights at the trot.
this will engage the horse by surprising him on what to do next. He will have to use his hind end because he won;t be able to keep turning all those directions with his front. it will not be comfortable for him.
Next if he can work on cavalettis and trotting poles... this will make him pick up his legs and really work his upper body.
Here is on of the most important... if your horse keeps his head up or high in the air this is one of the biggest reasons he has no muscle tone in the back end... when the head is high the back is hollowed out... meaning he is using no muscles to really move. (he is faking it and being lazy) try it.. get on all fours and stick your head in the air, now put your head down and feel how your back becomes rounder.. this is the ways to build up muscle.
Proper frame and good riding... but keep up on the excersizes
Hill work is an excellent way to build up the muscle in your horse's rump.
You can try it walking, trotting and when your horse gets used to it, you can try cantering.
Go up and down the hills, and vary the gradient.
Jumping is also a good way to build up muscle, as your horse needs to push with his back legs in order to clear the jump.
Make sure you vary this activity too, using different types of jumps, different heights and in different places.
If you can keep doing these sorts of exercises then you will definately notice a positive difference in your horse's fitness level and muscle build!
Good luck!
To add: backing is great rear end exercise. It's hard for a horse. Backing uphill even harder and more building.
Backing helps but not too much. Trotting really helps. I work my halter horses at a trot and so do alot of other halter horse trainers and just look at the big mucles they have.
Jumping does. It makes your horses but REALLY muscular. Going up and down hills is good too.
Backing up hill, just as one of the others answered. Trotting in the sand! Sand is great for for building muscles %26 endurance. Good luck!!
I don't know if you have ever seen the reining horses, but those animals are very well muscled! They do a lot of quick stops and rollbacks! I have used rollbacks and seen great results using rollbacks. It causes the horse to use its haunches for every move, as you stop quickly, and without moving forward, turn a 180 and run back in the direction you just came from. Not only is it a good exercise, it also helps keep the horses attention focused on the rider, especially if you stop at different times and spots in the ring/arena/pen/or whereever you ride...that way the training never gets old! :0)
Hope this helps!
Okay, you're getting some bad advice here. I'm guessing your horse is weak behind, which is why you need to start from the begining. If you are trying to increase muscle tone and your horse is already balanced, then you can go to more advanced exercises right away. Don't:
1. Ride in small (anything less then 20m or 66') circles. This puts too much stress on joints and ligaments unless your horse is really balanced.
2. Canter or gallop alot. When a horse has a weak back and heandquarters, this can also cause injuries like pulled or torn muscles and ligaments.
3. Jump extensively. If your horse already jumps, just don't increase it much more. If your horse isn't conditioned, it pounds on joints too much. Jumping should never be used to condition or strengthen muscles, because you would have to do too much in order to get a benefit from it. You should really only jump once or twice a week.
4. Longe alot. Some longeing is great, especially if they longe in a long, low frame with a soft round back,while reaching up underneath them to use the back and quarter muscles. However, if longeing excites your horse and they run around with their head in the air and ignore you, it will do nothing good, just strengthen the wrong muscles. Also, remember to time yourself when longeing so you always work both sides of the horse equally, and longeing is harder then regular work, so 10 minutes of longeing is equal to 20 minutes riding.
5. Attempt fast starts, stops, and turns until your horse has some strength and balance. Just galloping and pulling up hard is VERY dangerous if you have not perfected the moves with an experienced trainer at slower gates first.
Ok, try a couple of these exercises:
1. Hills, uphill over downhill. Walk or trot slowly, so the horse really has to reach underneath themselves with the hind end. Try to keep them balanced, so they work more instead of rushing.
2. Work on a long, low contact, allowing them to stretch over the topline, so they can relax and use the back muscles. Sit up tall and back so you keep him balanced on his handquarters. Work mostly in a smooth, foreward trot.
3. Longe in side reins to encourage the downward stretch. Only at a trot, and only if you have been taught how by a professional.
4. Lateral work. Start on the ground, just making sure you can move them away with pressure from your hand. Then try at a halt, then walking, and move up to at the trot. Not only will this help with back muscles, but also with all over flexability, submission and balance.
Just don't try anything that is too much for you or your horse. If you are working on muscle and condition, injuries from overwork and sore tired muscles are common. Be safe and build up gradually to more intense excercises.
As many answerers said, trotting and hill work combined are the best ways to strengthen your horse's hindquarters and top line. However, the work will only be effective if you take care to ride your horse correctly. Horses with weak hind ends tend to have more-developed forehands. This is because they aren't engaging their hocks or using their hindquarters the way they should. This stems from bad riding.
Hands down one of the most common faults I see is the rider muscling the horse's head down without bothering to apply leg and ask the horse to engage his hindend. This creates a false frame that weakens the horse's back and makes him hollow through his body. His head is tucked, but he's on the forehand and off-balance. You need to forget about the reins. A light contact is fine and half-halting to keep him from increasing his pace is also alright. But beyond that, don't try to seesaw his face to the ground. Instead, drive him forward with your leg and seat. Leg yield him on a circle to engage his hocks and make him step underneath himself.
If you don't have access to hills, work him on a thirty meter circle tracking both directions. Leg yield him constantly and work him at the sitting trot, but keep the sessions short as the exercise is both exhausting and tedious. The best thing you can do is take him on long hacks over hills and through the countryside. This will not only strengthen his muscles, it will improve his temperament and make him more willing in his ringwork.
Transitions...many many transitions, w/t, t/c, c/t, w/c, anything you can think of. Make sure the transitions are proper, initiated from behind. I can't believe no one else has said transitions. Done properly, they will build muscle faster than any of the above methods with less wear and tear on the horse. Hills are also great conditioners...I like to trot up, walk down, repeat. Trot poles and cavaletti can also help.
Are they pretty?
These are a few of my nana's horses, they are my favorites, i just wanted to know what you thought of them. 1) U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi~to~ 10) Why aren't they in a show?! I doubt any one of them rate a 10 tho. personal thoughts on conformation would be great too!
Left is Lady, right is her daughter echo
http://www.bowlers-stockport.co.uk/eques...
black jack
http://strangercreek.com/whisper%2052006...
chief
http://www.allstallionsdirectory.com/gen...
Cinnammon
http://www.aponyforyourthoughts.com/mojo...
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Lady gets a six
Echo gets a 7 cause shes a baby. Plus I had an Appy named Echo. Accept I spelled it Ecko. The name means Deer in Navajo Language
Black Jack gets a 9. I love Black Horses.
Chief get a 9 cause I love Paints too! What am I saying, I love all horses!
Cinnamon gets a 9 also. What a cutie, and cool markings too!
Yyyyyes they are pretty!!
i love all horses, they are magnificent creatures and treated with the right respect are extremely loyal. anyone who says a horse is not worthy of going to show no matter how bad it may look are ignorant, they are beautiful creatures and are not respected enough.
Yes, these are pretty. What is more important is their personalities.
They're all so beautifully marked! I don't really do shows, though--I don't have any conformation ideas, sorry. But they are pretty, and that last one Cinnamon has such a sweet look on his face :)
those are some beautiful horses, awesome looking. who cares if they are in shows or not. you are lucky to have them.
They are all very pretty! I think that Chief and Black Jack are the prettiest and they rate a 9 or 10. Cinnamon is an 8 -- he's really pretty but I think that C and BJ are prettier.
I can't see Lady that well but she looks nice so she gets an 8 as well. Echo is so cute! I love foals! Echo gets a 9 too because she's so cute.
They are all very pretty! I especially like black jack because i like black horses.
They are beautiful and look like great horses. All horses are beautiful regardless of the registry confirmation standards. Depends what type of showing you are talking about. I had one horse who would have never placed in confirmation but under saddle no one could beat him. I give them all 8.
lady-5
echo-7
black jack-7
cheif-9 (my favorite =] )
cinnammon-5
they are all very pretty horses. =]
omg those horses are really pretty i wish my horse looked as good as those
I give them all 10!!!! there beautiful!
Lady and Echo are soooooo cute! I would rate them seven to eight.
I want black jack! Hes so beautiful! nine to ten!=)
Chief is not one of my favorites, he good looking but not great, five to six
Cinnammon - what a unique color, lol, five to six
BEAUTIFUL HORSES
All of those horses are beautiful!! Seriously they are all stunning!!
Left is Lady, right is her daughter echo
http://www.bowlers-stockport.co.uk/eques...
black jack
http://strangercreek.com/whisper%2052006...
chief
http://www.allstallionsdirectory.com/gen...
Cinnammon
http://www.aponyforyourthoughts.com/mojo...
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Lady gets a six
Echo gets a 7 cause shes a baby. Plus I had an Appy named Echo. Accept I spelled it Ecko. The name means Deer in Navajo Language
Black Jack gets a 9. I love Black Horses.
Chief get a 9 cause I love Paints too! What am I saying, I love all horses!
Cinnamon gets a 9 also. What a cutie, and cool markings too!
Yyyyyes they are pretty!!
i love all horses, they are magnificent creatures and treated with the right respect are extremely loyal. anyone who says a horse is not worthy of going to show no matter how bad it may look are ignorant, they are beautiful creatures and are not respected enough.
Yes, these are pretty. What is more important is their personalities.
They're all so beautifully marked! I don't really do shows, though--I don't have any conformation ideas, sorry. But they are pretty, and that last one Cinnamon has such a sweet look on his face :)
those are some beautiful horses, awesome looking. who cares if they are in shows or not. you are lucky to have them.
They are all very pretty! I think that Chief and Black Jack are the prettiest and they rate a 9 or 10. Cinnamon is an 8 -- he's really pretty but I think that C and BJ are prettier.
I can't see Lady that well but she looks nice so she gets an 8 as well. Echo is so cute! I love foals! Echo gets a 9 too because she's so cute.
They are all very pretty! I especially like black jack because i like black horses.
They are beautiful and look like great horses. All horses are beautiful regardless of the registry confirmation standards. Depends what type of showing you are talking about. I had one horse who would have never placed in confirmation but under saddle no one could beat him. I give them all 8.
lady-5
echo-7
black jack-7
cheif-9 (my favorite =] )
cinnammon-5
they are all very pretty horses. =]
omg those horses are really pretty i wish my horse looked as good as those
I give them all 10!!!! there beautiful!
Lady and Echo are soooooo cute! I would rate them seven to eight.
I want black jack! Hes so beautiful! nine to ten!=)
Chief is not one of my favorites, he good looking but not great, five to six
Cinnammon - what a unique color, lol, five to six
BEAUTIFUL HORSES
All of those horses are beautiful!! Seriously they are all stunning!!
Are these two horses good for a 40 acre ranch in Texas where me and my cousins ages 13-20 will be riding them?
http://www.buyhorsesonly.com/search_resu...
http://www.buyhorsesonly.com/search_resu...
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Those are both pretty young horses. They will both need ALOT of ground work before you even get on their backs and at that time you will need to go slow
How much riding experience do you have? Since you are asking us I assume you don't have much. It is best that you talk to your trainer and find out what horse will fit your riding ability.
Maybe you can find some older horses that you don't need to train.
I would suggest you buy horses that aren't so green, especially for the younger cousin. Usually a good age would be about 7-10 years old (if well broke) You should ride the horse before you purchase it, like test-driving a car.
wow, this is a toughy.
First of all, the first link will not be old enough to even sallde break for at LEAST another year.
The biggy hgere is that there is no telling about ANYTHING from just a picture posted on an online auction. The only thing you would know for sure is that those horses will not be slaughtered. Whether or not they would be good riding horses depends on too many factors to be able to judge from a picture and a lot of THAT depends on how good of horse trainers and how knowledgable of horses that you two are.
As far as the 40 acres, with proper care, they should love it.
Good luck with this and bless you for considering resuing horses.
Beautiful!! If you are experienced enough for a younger horse and have the money to break/train then all sounds well.
These two horses aren't good for anyone ages 13-20, unless that person is a professional horse trainer. They are priced that cheap for a reason, and you can find better horses than that for a lot less money. The problem with them is that they aren't even started. That means they might not be halter broke, they probably haven't even loaded in a trailer. They aren't registered, and they're both mares, so they will never be worth more than they are now, since they aren't good for breeding purposes.
I would suggest buying an older horse (age 13-20) that has been ridden a lot. You should be able to find some cheap ones, since the horse market is really low right now. I don't suggest buying at an auction unless you know a LOT about horses and can observe them and ride them before the sale. But at an auction barn, the two horses you are looking at would bring $50-$100 right now. Don't pay more than that for them. You can buy a rideable (broke, experienced, gentle) horse and that will be much better for you and your cousins to ride.
Here are a few to look at, or just look on Equine.com for horses in Texas. These are all broke, and less than $1000:
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
the acreage is not a problem but you need to see before you by them if they have any soundness problems are they broke to ride and do they have any other health issues they are very young horses and they should do well together as long as they don't have the lamness or other problems good luck..i live in texas and have over 15 horses on 50 acres.
those awfully young horses. i don't like how trail horse is listed last, could be the last discipline on their mind! i had an off circut barrel horse as did my husband during our younger days. it just doesn't seem to totally leave their minds.
i just wouldn't expect to jump on and go.
use care and take your time getting to know them, this could end up great if you have alot of time.
i would say no.. Get you a horse that is already trained and older, like 6+. That way they kinda get out of the green stage and you can feel safer. The one thing you don't want is to get bucked off and hurt because of a bad decision on getting a horse. Take your time, try the horse out before buying them and make sure that the one you get will be the one you'll have forever. Good luck!
It looks like it. But make sure whomever will ride the horses and take care of them gets along with them and that they have no vices or quirks.
i would get a horse that is a ton older like 8-15 that way they r not green
The first horse is not good for a beginner rider at all! The horse is still a yearling and in fact, horses can't even be broken until they are about 3 because there bones need time to mature first... Breaking in a green horse is very hard and should only be done by very advanced riders...
The next horse is only 2 years old, and while she is probably OK to start breaking I wouldn't reccommend this for a beginner rider either... I suggest gettting an older horse that knows its stuff-- I can help you find a good horse for a good deal if you'd like! Just gimme the word and i can make a list of potentials for you-- I just sent one off to someone else today in fact and i have already helped 3 people find horses to buy =)
well do the math , the one was born in 2006, it is 2007 its a yearling. from how i understand it niether are broke to ride. they are just prospects for the things listed. the 1st one is definetly not rideable. if you are or know a pro trainer and have a lot of time then sure they could work out. but since you think a yearling is broke to ride...i would look into a older horse. expecually at your age and experience. even at 20 your experience can only be soo much. get a seasoned horse.
http://www.buyhorsesonly.com/search_resu...
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Those are both pretty young horses. They will both need ALOT of ground work before you even get on their backs and at that time you will need to go slow
How much riding experience do you have? Since you are asking us I assume you don't have much. It is best that you talk to your trainer and find out what horse will fit your riding ability.
Maybe you can find some older horses that you don't need to train.
I would suggest you buy horses that aren't so green, especially for the younger cousin. Usually a good age would be about 7-10 years old (if well broke) You should ride the horse before you purchase it, like test-driving a car.
wow, this is a toughy.
First of all, the first link will not be old enough to even sallde break for at LEAST another year.
The biggy hgere is that there is no telling about ANYTHING from just a picture posted on an online auction. The only thing you would know for sure is that those horses will not be slaughtered. Whether or not they would be good riding horses depends on too many factors to be able to judge from a picture and a lot of THAT depends on how good of horse trainers and how knowledgable of horses that you two are.
As far as the 40 acres, with proper care, they should love it.
Good luck with this and bless you for considering resuing horses.
Beautiful!! If you are experienced enough for a younger horse and have the money to break/train then all sounds well.
These two horses aren't good for anyone ages 13-20, unless that person is a professional horse trainer. They are priced that cheap for a reason, and you can find better horses than that for a lot less money. The problem with them is that they aren't even started. That means they might not be halter broke, they probably haven't even loaded in a trailer. They aren't registered, and they're both mares, so they will never be worth more than they are now, since they aren't good for breeding purposes.
I would suggest buying an older horse (age 13-20) that has been ridden a lot. You should be able to find some cheap ones, since the horse market is really low right now. I don't suggest buying at an auction unless you know a LOT about horses and can observe them and ride them before the sale. But at an auction barn, the two horses you are looking at would bring $50-$100 right now. Don't pay more than that for them. You can buy a rideable (broke, experienced, gentle) horse and that will be much better for you and your cousins to ride.
Here are a few to look at, or just look on Equine.com for horses in Texas. These are all broke, and less than $1000:
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
the acreage is not a problem but you need to see before you by them if they have any soundness problems are they broke to ride and do they have any other health issues they are very young horses and they should do well together as long as they don't have the lamness or other problems good luck..i live in texas and have over 15 horses on 50 acres.
those awfully young horses. i don't like how trail horse is listed last, could be the last discipline on their mind! i had an off circut barrel horse as did my husband during our younger days. it just doesn't seem to totally leave their minds.
i just wouldn't expect to jump on and go.
use care and take your time getting to know them, this could end up great if you have alot of time.
i would say no.. Get you a horse that is already trained and older, like 6+. That way they kinda get out of the green stage and you can feel safer. The one thing you don't want is to get bucked off and hurt because of a bad decision on getting a horse. Take your time, try the horse out before buying them and make sure that the one you get will be the one you'll have forever. Good luck!
It looks like it. But make sure whomever will ride the horses and take care of them gets along with them and that they have no vices or quirks.
i would get a horse that is a ton older like 8-15 that way they r not green
The first horse is not good for a beginner rider at all! The horse is still a yearling and in fact, horses can't even be broken until they are about 3 because there bones need time to mature first... Breaking in a green horse is very hard and should only be done by very advanced riders...
The next horse is only 2 years old, and while she is probably OK to start breaking I wouldn't reccommend this for a beginner rider either... I suggest gettting an older horse that knows its stuff-- I can help you find a good horse for a good deal if you'd like! Just gimme the word and i can make a list of potentials for you-- I just sent one off to someone else today in fact and i have already helped 3 people find horses to buy =)
well do the math , the one was born in 2006, it is 2007 its a yearling. from how i understand it niether are broke to ride. they are just prospects for the things listed. the 1st one is definetly not rideable. if you are or know a pro trainer and have a lot of time then sure they could work out. but since you think a yearling is broke to ride...i would look into a older horse. expecually at your age and experience. even at 20 your experience can only be soo much. get a seasoned horse.
Are these horses being abused?
There are a bunch of horses at a farm that i used to go to that are never fed. are they being neglected? they never get seen by the vet, and no vaccinations either!
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Contact a local horse rescue group or an animal shelter and make a complaint to them...most of the time the Police/Sheriff will not go out and look at the horses (they are not really equipped to do that anyways). The rescue groups have more "sway" in getting things done and having the horses evaluated...they also know more of whom to contact for this.
Be sure that you are prepared to follow this thru once you make a complaint like that though:)
PS: They are not going to be too concerned about the vets and the vaccinations but not being fed is going to be the main concern about the horses!
Wow you should seriously report that to the cops and call a Vet right away!
ummmmm YEAH!
is there hay or lots of grass out there for them if there is then no if not yes!
If you are sure of your information you can contact an animal welfare group. However, don't jump to any conclusions if you aren't sure.
how do you know they are never fed?
maybe there is enough grass for them to feed from.
unless you know all the details and are certain, then don't report to authorities.
however, if there is serious abuse and neglect, that's another story.
now, why don't people have this much passion about other humans?
well no kidding! of course they are if they never get fed or vaccinated! call the animal shelter.
Some horses don't require any grain if turned out daily or they might be on a specific diet for laminitis. It could also be that they are fed either before or after you arrived and left. Some owners also do not vaccinate their horses for the same reason some people don't vaccinate their children - the risk of adverse effects and West Nile and Rhino can make them quite sick. They can't last forever in a stall with no food or water. They'd be dying within a week without water. I would carefully check the facts before you report them.
umm YEAHHH the horses are being abused severely. report the owners of those horses to the local cops and a vet. If they are anything like the people on animal prescient on animal planet the cops will certainly take care of them soo make a move FAST before its too late
Are they stuffed? These are amazing!
hell yeah if they don't have at least a yearly visit from the vet and it they're never fed then yeah
you should so call animal control on their a$$es
Are they skinny? Is there water available?
Hi I run Arab horse resqu. I would like to know more about these hores please contact me at myhope_1959@hotmail.com maybe I can help. thank you Tammy
call the aspca.
Yes I would say that they r u need to contact your local animal control.
yes they r defenitly being abused contact animal control right away
If there is grass outside where they are or hay, then they're not being abused. Horses SHOULD be vaccinated and dewormed, but if they're not it's not exactly abuse.
If horses have food and water they are fine. Remember, wild horses aren't exactly cared for right?
Also, my horse isn't seen by a vet unless she has an injury that is obvious, and vaccinations are given by my uncle. She also lives outside 24/7 and eats grass. This doesn't mean she is abused.
How do you know the horse is never vaccinated?
How do you know they arn't seen from the vet? Maybe they vaccine, worm and treat there own horses. I rarely call a vet and when I call my vet, he knows its life or death and comes immediately. I worm my own horses and give shots. How do you know they arn't being fed grain? Is it before you wake or get home? Maybe they don't need grain. Do they live in a field with lots of grass? Do they have hay if thats not the case? Do they have water? Nobody likes to be reported to animal control from somebody's lack of experience. Its embarrasing and humiliating. We work closely with animal control. If the horses next door have no water, no grass and no hay and look in poor condition then thats when you need to call, not because you don't see them do anything for them.
Are they thin and undernourished looking? Are their ribs and hipbones prominent? Are their hooves overgrown? Are they limping? Do they have a nasal discharge? Are their coats, manes and tails matted and filthy? If yes, CALL THE S.P.C.A. IMMEDIATELY. If they appear fine, keep an eye on them if you can and see how they look after a while.
The only way you can tell is if you keep 24 hour watch on them for say a week. Are the horses skinny? Do they have water? what do the feet look like? My horse doesn't see a vet unless it is sick. I do my own vaccinations. So unless you are out there 24/7 then you really can't say.
Go sit out there and then let us know what you find.
Well vet wise they don't need to be seen unless something is wrong with them, you don't usually do "well checks" for horses. As for their vaccinations, how do you know if they have them or not? Even if they don't, that is not considered neglect.
Are the horses skinny or even thin? What makes you say they aren't being fed?
Why do you feel they are being neglected?
Do they have free choice water? Grass? Hay?
Do they have injuries that are not being cared for?
With out more information, it is unfair to throw the neglect card out here. There are WAY too many other horses out there that are in no doubt being neglected %26 that really do need help.
I would check my facts before I jumped to conclussions.
if they never get fed or seen by the vet that is abuse. are they living off of the grass in the fields?? i hope they are getting atleast grass. but that is still abuse. do they get seen by the farrier at all?
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Contact a local horse rescue group or an animal shelter and make a complaint to them...most of the time the Police/Sheriff will not go out and look at the horses (they are not really equipped to do that anyways). The rescue groups have more "sway" in getting things done and having the horses evaluated...they also know more of whom to contact for this.
Be sure that you are prepared to follow this thru once you make a complaint like that though:)
PS: They are not going to be too concerned about the vets and the vaccinations but not being fed is going to be the main concern about the horses!
Wow you should seriously report that to the cops and call a Vet right away!
ummmmm YEAH!
is there hay or lots of grass out there for them if there is then no if not yes!
If you are sure of your information you can contact an animal welfare group. However, don't jump to any conclusions if you aren't sure.
how do you know they are never fed?
maybe there is enough grass for them to feed from.
unless you know all the details and are certain, then don't report to authorities.
however, if there is serious abuse and neglect, that's another story.
now, why don't people have this much passion about other humans?
well no kidding! of course they are if they never get fed or vaccinated! call the animal shelter.
Some horses don't require any grain if turned out daily or they might be on a specific diet for laminitis. It could also be that they are fed either before or after you arrived and left. Some owners also do not vaccinate their horses for the same reason some people don't vaccinate their children - the risk of adverse effects and West Nile and Rhino can make them quite sick. They can't last forever in a stall with no food or water. They'd be dying within a week without water. I would carefully check the facts before you report them.
umm YEAHHH the horses are being abused severely. report the owners of those horses to the local cops and a vet. If they are anything like the people on animal prescient on animal planet the cops will certainly take care of them soo make a move FAST before its too late
Are they stuffed? These are amazing!
hell yeah if they don't have at least a yearly visit from the vet and it they're never fed then yeah
you should so call animal control on their a$$es
Are they skinny? Is there water available?
Hi I run Arab horse resqu. I would like to know more about these hores please contact me at myhope_1959@hotmail.com maybe I can help. thank you Tammy
call the aspca.
Yes I would say that they r u need to contact your local animal control.
yes they r defenitly being abused contact animal control right away
If there is grass outside where they are or hay, then they're not being abused. Horses SHOULD be vaccinated and dewormed, but if they're not it's not exactly abuse.
If horses have food and water they are fine. Remember, wild horses aren't exactly cared for right?
Also, my horse isn't seen by a vet unless she has an injury that is obvious, and vaccinations are given by my uncle. She also lives outside 24/7 and eats grass. This doesn't mean she is abused.
How do you know the horse is never vaccinated?
How do you know they arn't seen from the vet? Maybe they vaccine, worm and treat there own horses. I rarely call a vet and when I call my vet, he knows its life or death and comes immediately. I worm my own horses and give shots. How do you know they arn't being fed grain? Is it before you wake or get home? Maybe they don't need grain. Do they live in a field with lots of grass? Do they have hay if thats not the case? Do they have water? Nobody likes to be reported to animal control from somebody's lack of experience. Its embarrasing and humiliating. We work closely with animal control. If the horses next door have no water, no grass and no hay and look in poor condition then thats when you need to call, not because you don't see them do anything for them.
Are they thin and undernourished looking? Are their ribs and hipbones prominent? Are their hooves overgrown? Are they limping? Do they have a nasal discharge? Are their coats, manes and tails matted and filthy? If yes, CALL THE S.P.C.A. IMMEDIATELY. If they appear fine, keep an eye on them if you can and see how they look after a while.
The only way you can tell is if you keep 24 hour watch on them for say a week. Are the horses skinny? Do they have water? what do the feet look like? My horse doesn't see a vet unless it is sick. I do my own vaccinations. So unless you are out there 24/7 then you really can't say.
Go sit out there and then let us know what you find.
Well vet wise they don't need to be seen unless something is wrong with them, you don't usually do "well checks" for horses. As for their vaccinations, how do you know if they have them or not? Even if they don't, that is not considered neglect.
Are the horses skinny or even thin? What makes you say they aren't being fed?
Why do you feel they are being neglected?
Do they have free choice water? Grass? Hay?
Do they have injuries that are not being cared for?
With out more information, it is unfair to throw the neglect card out here. There are WAY too many other horses out there that are in no doubt being neglected %26 that really do need help.
I would check my facts before I jumped to conclussions.
if they never get fed or seen by the vet that is abuse. are they living off of the grass in the fields?? i hope they are getting atleast grass. but that is still abuse. do they get seen by the farrier at all?
Are these horse any good??
OK so i am getting a horse maybe in sep and i have found some horses but i do not know witch one i like more?? i would just ride my horse English and jumps and some shows but i do not have a trailer so anyway i will get to the point i do not know witch horse i like more so i need help!!!!
here they are!
http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org/cla...
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
http://www.horseville.com/php/view.php?i...
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sal...
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sal...
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sal...
so i really do not know witch one
P.S. Don't get any ideas about these horses they are mine JK
:)
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First horse- she looks really behind the bit in one of the pics, looks like the owner hauls on her face alot, so she might have a strong mouth. It looks like she would need some retraining to get her out of the habit of going behind the bit.
Second horse- this mare looks nice, but really sounds like she has some major issues. I dont understand why the buyers would back out after the vet check unless something came up, or they found something out about the horse. People usually wont waste money on a vet check like that. She also is pretty cheap for having been shown and everything. I have to wonder if this mare is off the track, if so she may have some issuses related to that.
Third horse- I like the look of this one. He sounds quiet and nice, I like that he has been trail ridden, but he is kind of short, I dont know how competitive he would be for hunters at only 15.2 unless he had amazing movement. If all the tack is good quality he could be a really good deal.
Fourth horse- I dont think this horse has actually done anything. He looks nice, and is prob. really quiet, but as far as actual training, I would say he is green considering they dont have any pictures of him being ridden and they dont say if he has any show experiance, or even training. He is also really short to be competitive. I would say this one is a no if you want to jump and ride english- too small, and too green. If you want a cute little all around horse, maybe, i see him being way more western (esp. because they mention him being ridden in a bosal)
Fifth horse- She looks really nice. Why so cheap?? If she is sound, and sane she might be a really good deal. I have to wonder if she is difficult to handle though considering they say intermediate to experianced rider. Go try her out and see if you can handle her. I think she might be hot though.
Sixth horse- I would say dont bother with this one. I gaurentee he is not 16.1 hands like the ad claims. It also says he is green at the canter still, which will take you awhile to get him solid at it, he will need a TON of work before you can start jumping him. The one picture of him trotting makes him look like he has way too much knee action. He isn't even registered...The owner also sounds like they will be difficult to work with, it doesn't sound like they really want him sold, but just a lease insted.
Just go try the horses you like, it wil be a lot easier to make a decision. Plus, if you try out a ton of horses you will get a better idea of exactly what you want.
It really all depends on hoe the horse and you get along. If this will be your first horse i woulld stay away from any horse that is a "project" meaning it still needs more training. and a green horse with a green rider is never a good combination. You should just go and look at several different horses until you find one that you just cant live without.
well personally i like just one sneaker the best he is registered and really well bred but it is up to you to deiced which horse you want to buy when you go to look at the horses you should no which one to buy some of the other horses you have listed need schooling and personally i wouldn't like to school a horse any than 5 years old.
p.s. the fifth horse looks to thin to me.
i like the second, fifth, and last one. the first one looked as if he was getting away from the bit because his head was past vertical. the last one was trotting like he was performing even though he was just playing around in his field. #1, 5,6 are the best. ps would have to clip last one; shaggy looking
i would say either the second one, or the last one. the second one (the tb) looks very interested and alert to what is going on, and anticipates his jumps. the last one (the paint) is just as gorgeous and might easily be a good english horse.
i personally liked the 2nd and 5th ones the best.
good luck!
First I would like to say this, the horse market is at a low...are the horses you picked what you really want or do you want somehing that is already trained for the same money? When it comes down to it a horse is worth as much as you are willing to pay, just be realistic.
I think it totally depends on how much time you want to put in and for sure what kind of riding you want to do and if you think you may want to advance. From the sounds of it all of the horses you have picked would need additional training for what you want to do and an intermediate to experienced rider to do it. If you don't mind then I think you have some great choices for lower level competition and some great choices with the possbility of advancement. I would also like to say you should also make sure the horse you pick will be able to advance to the levels you may like to go to...in short pick one that will suit you for some time to come so you are not out looking again in a year or two. Good luck !!
i like the first horse, April, because she has a great body postion, she's very, very, very friendly :), and she is soooooooooooo cute.
SheBCool first choice- . She is in great shape, and if you can continue to jump her (without trailering her, as you said you don't have one), her hindquarters are going to continue to build up.
Ask for a right side shot of her, to be sure her legs are clean on that side.
April would be my second choice.Check on that negotiable price. Good lines, sweet face, great conformation overall.
Both have really nice shoulder lines, and will not land like a ton of bricks.
Avoid any horse that says 'needs reschooled', unless you are into dealing with problems. Some folks enjoy that. If you are, then you might try Zoey. But do negotiate that price down. It is a red flag when someone backs down on buying, and they rarely put the real reason in there. Might have tried her, and found her pretty flighty.
You mentioned more English style riding, so unless you want to reschool Just One Sneaker, you are going to learn Western- LOL! Besides, his shoulder is not going to let him jump with any style and grace. However, he would make a superb emdurance horse, looking at his conformation. You would have to check him out in person, though, as his personality might not let that happen...he might be too laid back.
Didn't find the others to be what these are.
Good luck in choosing, and let me know what you picked!
Photos only as good as the person taking them.
I tell people look at a 100 then you will know which one is for you. And when you say do not get any ideas. It is first come first get. No not looking for another horse. Have to many right now.
You need one that you can ride. That you are not afriad to go over jumps.
Plus if you are jumping you should have a teacher. Jumping is not like games. Were any person that can say on a horse can do it. And some of them do not do that either.
When you get the teacher they should be help you find the right horse.
The 2nd or the 5th and I would have a hard time choosing between the two. Are you sure the price is right on the 5th horse? I really like her and she is not too skinny! She is in perfect body fat condition! All horses should be in that kind of condition.
Then horse #1 would be my 3rd choice. Horse #3 looks like it is over in the knees. Horse #4 is not very athletic looking which is why he has been a Therapeutic mount and he just doesn't do anything for me and horse #6 there really isn't any pictures there that would justify their asking price.
No one else can ever tell you which horse YOU want. You will just have to try each one and decide which one you will enjoy the most for the discipline you have chosen.
You cannot look at pictures and read what someone wants you to know about a horse and trust yourself to know what you are looking at, neither can anyone else. It just doesn't work that way.
I do see some conformation faults in a few, but maybe the horse's performance and temperament makes up for that. You won't know til you have given it a go.or 5 or 6.
Best wishes and a feed bucket full of good luck to you on your decision.
they are all lovley but i like the second the most. p.s prices are very reasonable in the u.s! iv just paid æ‹¢6,000 for an eventer in the u.k!
bennys so cute and from what u say i think you should be an exelent trainer! you allready sound like a gret rider!
First off, riding for 10 years is very different from training or starting a horse. I have worked with some of the biggest names in AQHA and APHA, competed at AQHA and APHA worlds, and seen people who have ridden MANY more years that you that simply do not have the ability to train a horse. There is a difference in riding and training. Not all trainers are pretty riders either so I am not knocking anyone!
1st horse) This horse is ok. You would have to retrain her to drive with her hind end instead of pulling with her front end. This would "fix" her being behind the bit. Leg, LEG, LEG! LOL I'm not thrilled with her conformation, but she is also not squared up properly so it is hard to tell. Her hind end is VERY weak compared to her front end.
2nd horse) Nice looking horse from what I can tell, BUT there is no conformation shot. It does not sound like she has any problems, but simply has set so will need a refreshers course. I would want to see her take some jumps in person as she is dropping her front legs and not tucking her fetlocks up in the picture. You do NOT want her if that is the case if you are going to seriously show. This is another horse that will you will to train to drive with her hind end.
3rd) No. just no. If that is the best photo they have of him (which you general post the best), then I would not even bother looking at him personally.
4th) I would love this horse as a WESTERN working horse, but would have to pass as an English. He does not have a very good front end, and his hip is not the best. Sounds like he has an AMAZING personality though. If you were wanting a horse for around the house or SMALL shows, go and look at him.
5th) This is my favorite out of those that you posted. My only draw back is that they were commenting on her pedigree. Did she race? If so, have her THOROUGHLY vetted. I have retrained ex-race horses. They can make AMAZING mounts, but need a gentle yet firm (NOT MEAN) hand. I like her conformation, her neck ties in well, clean throat latch, etc. It is a decent price also!
6th) I LOVE paints, but for what you want. I would have to say no. He has WAY to much knee and hock action and will never be a flat mover that you will need in HUS and dressage. No.
my favorite is April, she has got good conformation from what i can see, and moves well, going on the picture here
I really liked the first mare, I would avoid the 2nd one, because I have had to "reschool" horses before, %26 it's a LOT of extra work, %26 not always very fun. (depends on the horse's mentality, though.)
here they are!
http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org/cla...
http://www.equine.com/horses/ad_details.
http://www.horseville.com/php/view.php?i...
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sal...
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sal...
http://www.equinehits.com/horses-for-sal...
so i really do not know witch one
P.S. Don't get any ideas about these horses they are mine JK
:)
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First horse- she looks really behind the bit in one of the pics, looks like the owner hauls on her face alot, so she might have a strong mouth. It looks like she would need some retraining to get her out of the habit of going behind the bit.
Second horse- this mare looks nice, but really sounds like she has some major issues. I dont understand why the buyers would back out after the vet check unless something came up, or they found something out about the horse. People usually wont waste money on a vet check like that. She also is pretty cheap for having been shown and everything. I have to wonder if this mare is off the track, if so she may have some issuses related to that.
Third horse- I like the look of this one. He sounds quiet and nice, I like that he has been trail ridden, but he is kind of short, I dont know how competitive he would be for hunters at only 15.2 unless he had amazing movement. If all the tack is good quality he could be a really good deal.
Fourth horse- I dont think this horse has actually done anything. He looks nice, and is prob. really quiet, but as far as actual training, I would say he is green considering they dont have any pictures of him being ridden and they dont say if he has any show experiance, or even training. He is also really short to be competitive. I would say this one is a no if you want to jump and ride english- too small, and too green. If you want a cute little all around horse, maybe, i see him being way more western (esp. because they mention him being ridden in a bosal)
Fifth horse- She looks really nice. Why so cheap?? If she is sound, and sane she might be a really good deal. I have to wonder if she is difficult to handle though considering they say intermediate to experianced rider. Go try her out and see if you can handle her. I think she might be hot though.
Sixth horse- I would say dont bother with this one. I gaurentee he is not 16.1 hands like the ad claims. It also says he is green at the canter still, which will take you awhile to get him solid at it, he will need a TON of work before you can start jumping him. The one picture of him trotting makes him look like he has way too much knee action. He isn't even registered...The owner also sounds like they will be difficult to work with, it doesn't sound like they really want him sold, but just a lease insted.
Just go try the horses you like, it wil be a lot easier to make a decision. Plus, if you try out a ton of horses you will get a better idea of exactly what you want.
It really all depends on hoe the horse and you get along. If this will be your first horse i woulld stay away from any horse that is a "project" meaning it still needs more training. and a green horse with a green rider is never a good combination. You should just go and look at several different horses until you find one that you just cant live without.
well personally i like just one sneaker the best he is registered and really well bred but it is up to you to deiced which horse you want to buy when you go to look at the horses you should no which one to buy some of the other horses you have listed need schooling and personally i wouldn't like to school a horse any than 5 years old.
p.s. the fifth horse looks to thin to me.
i like the second, fifth, and last one. the first one looked as if he was getting away from the bit because his head was past vertical. the last one was trotting like he was performing even though he was just playing around in his field. #1, 5,6 are the best. ps would have to clip last one; shaggy looking
i would say either the second one, or the last one. the second one (the tb) looks very interested and alert to what is going on, and anticipates his jumps. the last one (the paint) is just as gorgeous and might easily be a good english horse.
i personally liked the 2nd and 5th ones the best.
good luck!
First I would like to say this, the horse market is at a low...are the horses you picked what you really want or do you want somehing that is already trained for the same money? When it comes down to it a horse is worth as much as you are willing to pay, just be realistic.
I think it totally depends on how much time you want to put in and for sure what kind of riding you want to do and if you think you may want to advance. From the sounds of it all of the horses you have picked would need additional training for what you want to do and an intermediate to experienced rider to do it. If you don't mind then I think you have some great choices for lower level competition and some great choices with the possbility of advancement. I would also like to say you should also make sure the horse you pick will be able to advance to the levels you may like to go to...in short pick one that will suit you for some time to come so you are not out looking again in a year or two. Good luck !!
i like the first horse, April, because she has a great body postion, she's very, very, very friendly :), and she is soooooooooooo cute.
SheBCool first choice- . She is in great shape, and if you can continue to jump her (without trailering her, as you said you don't have one), her hindquarters are going to continue to build up.
Ask for a right side shot of her, to be sure her legs are clean on that side.
April would be my second choice.Check on that negotiable price. Good lines, sweet face, great conformation overall.
Both have really nice shoulder lines, and will not land like a ton of bricks.
Avoid any horse that says 'needs reschooled', unless you are into dealing with problems. Some folks enjoy that. If you are, then you might try Zoey. But do negotiate that price down. It is a red flag when someone backs down on buying, and they rarely put the real reason in there. Might have tried her, and found her pretty flighty.
You mentioned more English style riding, so unless you want to reschool Just One Sneaker, you are going to learn Western- LOL! Besides, his shoulder is not going to let him jump with any style and grace. However, he would make a superb emdurance horse, looking at his conformation. You would have to check him out in person, though, as his personality might not let that happen...he might be too laid back.
Didn't find the others to be what these are.
Good luck in choosing, and let me know what you picked!
Photos only as good as the person taking them.
I tell people look at a 100 then you will know which one is for you. And when you say do not get any ideas. It is first come first get. No not looking for another horse. Have to many right now.
You need one that you can ride. That you are not afriad to go over jumps.
Plus if you are jumping you should have a teacher. Jumping is not like games. Were any person that can say on a horse can do it. And some of them do not do that either.
When you get the teacher they should be help you find the right horse.
The 2nd or the 5th and I would have a hard time choosing between the two. Are you sure the price is right on the 5th horse? I really like her and she is not too skinny! She is in perfect body fat condition! All horses should be in that kind of condition.
Then horse #1 would be my 3rd choice. Horse #3 looks like it is over in the knees. Horse #4 is not very athletic looking which is why he has been a Therapeutic mount and he just doesn't do anything for me and horse #6 there really isn't any pictures there that would justify their asking price.
No one else can ever tell you which horse YOU want. You will just have to try each one and decide which one you will enjoy the most for the discipline you have chosen.
You cannot look at pictures and read what someone wants you to know about a horse and trust yourself to know what you are looking at, neither can anyone else. It just doesn't work that way.
I do see some conformation faults in a few, but maybe the horse's performance and temperament makes up for that. You won't know til you have given it a go.or 5 or 6.
Best wishes and a feed bucket full of good luck to you on your decision.
they are all lovley but i like the second the most. p.s prices are very reasonable in the u.s! iv just paid æ‹¢6,000 for an eventer in the u.k!
bennys so cute and from what u say i think you should be an exelent trainer! you allready sound like a gret rider!
First off, riding for 10 years is very different from training or starting a horse. I have worked with some of the biggest names in AQHA and APHA, competed at AQHA and APHA worlds, and seen people who have ridden MANY more years that you that simply do not have the ability to train a horse. There is a difference in riding and training. Not all trainers are pretty riders either so I am not knocking anyone!
1st horse) This horse is ok. You would have to retrain her to drive with her hind end instead of pulling with her front end. This would "fix" her being behind the bit. Leg, LEG, LEG! LOL I'm not thrilled with her conformation, but she is also not squared up properly so it is hard to tell. Her hind end is VERY weak compared to her front end.
2nd horse) Nice looking horse from what I can tell, BUT there is no conformation shot. It does not sound like she has any problems, but simply has set so will need a refreshers course. I would want to see her take some jumps in person as she is dropping her front legs and not tucking her fetlocks up in the picture. You do NOT want her if that is the case if you are going to seriously show. This is another horse that will you will to train to drive with her hind end.
3rd) No. just no. If that is the best photo they have of him (which you general post the best), then I would not even bother looking at him personally.
4th) I would love this horse as a WESTERN working horse, but would have to pass as an English. He does not have a very good front end, and his hip is not the best. Sounds like he has an AMAZING personality though. If you were wanting a horse for around the house or SMALL shows, go and look at him.
5th) This is my favorite out of those that you posted. My only draw back is that they were commenting on her pedigree. Did she race? If so, have her THOROUGHLY vetted. I have retrained ex-race horses. They can make AMAZING mounts, but need a gentle yet firm (NOT MEAN) hand. I like her conformation, her neck ties in well, clean throat latch, etc. It is a decent price also!
6th) I LOVE paints, but for what you want. I would have to say no. He has WAY to much knee and hock action and will never be a flat mover that you will need in HUS and dressage. No.
my favorite is April, she has got good conformation from what i can see, and moves well, going on the picture here
I really liked the first mare, I would avoid the 2nd one, because I have had to "reschool" horses before, %26 it's a LOT of extra work, %26 not always very fun. (depends on the horse's mentality, though.)
Are these good horses?
Me and my sister have been lookiing for horses for about 2 years, and we finally found one for ourselves. I have a big horses, and she has a little horse! Are these good horses? FOr me and I am 11 http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php... FOr my sister she is 9 http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php... Are these good horses for us? If you find any make the price under 2000! Thanks!
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Well, you can't go based on what they look like. You must know that.
This is what I would do (to see if these horses are suited for you):
1. Go out in a pasture with them and spend some time with them.
2. Groom them
3. Ride them a little
4. Wash them
5. Walk them around
6. Do whatever else you think you should do with them.
Do these things to see if you adn the horse are compatible. See if she is quick tempered or not. And i know you say you don't have a prob. to train them, but its always much easier to just buy an already trained, calm-mannered, intelligent horse.
it says there temper and stuff.. but go see for urself.
good luck!
I would get it because both look calm and they can be well traind
i have no idea i no nothing about horses!
The first horse looks very nice, but it looks like the second one isn't trained to be ridden. I would look for a pony who is already well-trained for your sister, unless you have a very experienced horseperson around who is willing to train it for you. Either way, you should try to go look at the horses in person, and you should definitely bring someone who is very experienced with horses who can check them out and make sure they're exactly what you need. It's tough to judge a horse from a picture and a paragraph on a website. If you don't know anyone who is experienced with horses, you could call a vet who works with horses, and they could come with you to see the horse, for a small fee. It's a pain to set up, but in the long run, having an experienced person look at them will save you an awful lot of trouble.
Good luck! You'll have lots of fun with them. :)
the first looks fine, but the second says someone needed to break her. this could be a big task and you need to be expierenced so you might want to rethink the second one for your sis.
the first horse looks good. u shouldnt judge if they are broke to ride by the pics given. in the description it says that she can be ridden in a saddle and a D ring snaffle and barback but in the skills and prospect there is nothing about riding. she may be green broke to ride. she can probabaly have someone sit on her and not do anything, but not hardcore riding. if you are comfortable training a green horse then this may be a good project horse for you. if yor not, make sure you have someone who is wiht you that is experienced with horses that can help you. if you dont have anyone, i suggest you do not buy her. for the 2nd horse for your sister, i recomend you find a different horse, broken already. since she is young she may need a more skilled horse. if you want to ever show your horses, you wnt to buy them registered. dont buy and unregistered horse, it costs even more that what you played for them. this horse jsut looks like a backyard horse, if she wants to ride it, i suggest you keep looking for another horse. i hope this helps! write back with any more questions. im happy to help.
They both sound like great horses for you and your sister.
The horse you picked for yourself looked fine, if you have some experience, but I would pick somthing that is already trained to ride for your sister. The last thing you need is for your sister to get hurt riding a green broke pony.
well i am also around your age and me and my friend are also looking for a horse. some things you should look for especially for your sister are a 3 or lower on the "temperament scale" and the height. remember, horses live for a while and your probably going to grow in to. my friend and i are looking for a horse between 14.2 and 15.1 hands. Also don't forget to e-mail the owner or seller and ask questions. Such as is the horse broke to ride? How well?
how well do you ride? you are going to want to ask if it is for a beginner, intermediate, or advanced rider.
hope this helps!
yea get them
I would not get the pony! It still needs training!! Geldings are the way to go for you %26 your sister. I would get a little older as well!! %26 Ponies are bratier than most horses!! Good luck
The first horse looks like it would be ok for you. but the only way to know for sure is to go and try the horses. The second horse isn't broke. Breaking out a horse is very challenging, and dangrous. Do not attempt to break out a horse with out an adult who is an experianced horse person's help. I don't think you know enough to get a green horse considering you refered to a horse as being 16.7 hands (there are only 4 inches in a hand) ...if you dont even know the correct way to measure a horse, you likely have not been around horses long enough to ride a green or unbroke horse. Also working on training an already broke out horse is alot different from breaking out a horse. If breaking out horses were easy then there wouldnt be professionals that get paid over 500 dollars a month to break out horses.
You should take your riding instructor with you to pick out horses, asking on here won't get you the advice you need. You need the advice of someone that knows how you ride to pick out a good horse, buying a horse that isnt sutible for you is both dangrous to you, and unfair to the horse.
For the first one i really like it! For you-- it sounds like a great match but you could always do a test ride! They never hurt =P
The other horse looks too small for your sister and I think you should look into another one that is more trainer-- they dont mention any training this horse has. and all of the other ones aren't trained either! I'd say Cody's Poco Annie if any-- she looks like she has some training under her belt...
But you never mentioned your skill levels =) so I don't know! Ask your trainer to help you!
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Well, you can't go based on what they look like. You must know that.
This is what I would do (to see if these horses are suited for you):
1. Go out in a pasture with them and spend some time with them.
2. Groom them
3. Ride them a little
4. Wash them
5. Walk them around
6. Do whatever else you think you should do with them.
Do these things to see if you adn the horse are compatible. See if she is quick tempered or not. And i know you say you don't have a prob. to train them, but its always much easier to just buy an already trained, calm-mannered, intelligent horse.
it says there temper and stuff.. but go see for urself.
good luck!
I would get it because both look calm and they can be well traind
i have no idea i no nothing about horses!
The first horse looks very nice, but it looks like the second one isn't trained to be ridden. I would look for a pony who is already well-trained for your sister, unless you have a very experienced horseperson around who is willing to train it for you. Either way, you should try to go look at the horses in person, and you should definitely bring someone who is very experienced with horses who can check them out and make sure they're exactly what you need. It's tough to judge a horse from a picture and a paragraph on a website. If you don't know anyone who is experienced with horses, you could call a vet who works with horses, and they could come with you to see the horse, for a small fee. It's a pain to set up, but in the long run, having an experienced person look at them will save you an awful lot of trouble.
Good luck! You'll have lots of fun with them. :)
the first looks fine, but the second says someone needed to break her. this could be a big task and you need to be expierenced so you might want to rethink the second one for your sis.
the first horse looks good. u shouldnt judge if they are broke to ride by the pics given. in the description it says that she can be ridden in a saddle and a D ring snaffle and barback but in the skills and prospect there is nothing about riding. she may be green broke to ride. she can probabaly have someone sit on her and not do anything, but not hardcore riding. if you are comfortable training a green horse then this may be a good project horse for you. if yor not, make sure you have someone who is wiht you that is experienced with horses that can help you. if you dont have anyone, i suggest you do not buy her. for the 2nd horse for your sister, i recomend you find a different horse, broken already. since she is young she may need a more skilled horse. if you want to ever show your horses, you wnt to buy them registered. dont buy and unregistered horse, it costs even more that what you played for them. this horse jsut looks like a backyard horse, if she wants to ride it, i suggest you keep looking for another horse. i hope this helps! write back with any more questions. im happy to help.
They both sound like great horses for you and your sister.
The horse you picked for yourself looked fine, if you have some experience, but I would pick somthing that is already trained to ride for your sister. The last thing you need is for your sister to get hurt riding a green broke pony.
well i am also around your age and me and my friend are also looking for a horse. some things you should look for especially for your sister are a 3 or lower on the "temperament scale" and the height. remember, horses live for a while and your probably going to grow in to. my friend and i are looking for a horse between 14.2 and 15.1 hands. Also don't forget to e-mail the owner or seller and ask questions. Such as is the horse broke to ride? How well?
how well do you ride? you are going to want to ask if it is for a beginner, intermediate, or advanced rider.
hope this helps!
yea get them
I would not get the pony! It still needs training!! Geldings are the way to go for you %26 your sister. I would get a little older as well!! %26 Ponies are bratier than most horses!! Good luck
The first horse looks like it would be ok for you. but the only way to know for sure is to go and try the horses. The second horse isn't broke. Breaking out a horse is very challenging, and dangrous. Do not attempt to break out a horse with out an adult who is an experianced horse person's help. I don't think you know enough to get a green horse considering you refered to a horse as being 16.7 hands (there are only 4 inches in a hand) ...if you dont even know the correct way to measure a horse, you likely have not been around horses long enough to ride a green or unbroke horse. Also working on training an already broke out horse is alot different from breaking out a horse. If breaking out horses were easy then there wouldnt be professionals that get paid over 500 dollars a month to break out horses.
You should take your riding instructor with you to pick out horses, asking on here won't get you the advice you need. You need the advice of someone that knows how you ride to pick out a good horse, buying a horse that isnt sutible for you is both dangrous to you, and unfair to the horse.
For the first one i really like it! For you-- it sounds like a great match but you could always do a test ride! They never hurt =P
The other horse looks too small for your sister and I think you should look into another one that is more trainer-- they dont mention any training this horse has. and all of the other ones aren't trained either! I'd say Cody's Poco Annie if any-- she looks like she has some training under her belt...
But you never mentioned your skill levels =) so I don't know! Ask your trainer to help you!
Are there such things as reputable dealers?
My two freinds came over from Jersey to look for horses to buy. Both are experienced horsewomen who have owned and ridden all their lives. Both had the horses fully vetted (as in five stage!), which they both passed. One is now having to have a court battle as her vet and farrier told her a week after the mare arrived that the mare has a deformity in her leg which should have been picked up in the vetting (been there since birth) and should never have passed as she cannot be rideen ever again (sold as 4 year old competition horse). The other horse has a club foot. I'm not going to name the yard because of the court situation and don't want to jepodise the proceedings - but is there such thing as a "reputable dealer"?
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In Short NO! there is no such thing as a reputable dealer. Horses tend to go to dealers for one reason, a problem. weather its behavioural or physical.
Always use your own choice of vets.Look in yellow pages for a local one to where you are looking at the horse. (first find out who the seller uses) NEVER the one the seller recommends. ALWAYS have bloods taken (proof of doping should temperament change)
The very best of luck to your friends.
ER...HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT GUY WHO WENT TO BUY A HORSE BUT FIRST HE LOOKED IN THE HORSES MOUTH.
Honestly I haven't met one. I try to buy from private people rather than dealers and the private ppl have screwed me too at times. I have gotten wiser (or just pretend to think that anymore).
The ones that I have bought my mules from in the last 6 yrs were all private raised and they questioned me heavily as I questioned them about what my intentions were with the mules. The mule ppl haven't screwed me yet, but they are out there and they are KNOWN due to it being a small community of people.
If the sellers didn't question me or care enough about their animals to see that they were going to a good place, I would tend to walk on by.
Yes, there are, but very few and far between. The biggest thing to remember is that the dealers have the horses for a short time. They don't know their history, mental or physical. So even the good ones can send you a horse with problems.
I personally would never buy from a dealer. I buy direct from breeders or owners.
I have shopped for several clients. I've never had one complaint about the horses I found for them. I also have people who come to me and stop here. They've had so many bad experiences buying that they want to go through me. I am honest to a fault, and there is nothing hidden, good or bad. From what I hear though, that is very rare.
Sorry for the troubles. Very dissapointing.
There are reputable dealers/brokers, trainers and breeders. You just have to find them. I am always leery of anyone who tries to hard to "sell" a horse.
As to the specific case you are talking about; obviously your friends do not know as much about horses as you/they think do. Your friends couldn't spot a club foot?! If the horse was completely vetted, the abnormality would have showed up.
I have a vet friend who won't do a vet check for this reason. He says that if he missed something, which he is human and it happens, then he is liable for that. It's a good thing your friends got the vet check but on the second horse with the club foot, could they not see that?? I'm just wondering because a club foot would be very noticable.
As to a reputable dealer, I am sure there might be but I have never heard of one. A private person or breeder would be the way to go. Now with the plants closed many horses that have problems will goto places as sound horses, this is a very sad fact. IMO...reputable is out the window for dealers. All they want is the money, they don't care about the horse or the person buying.
Most vets will not "pass or fail" a horse in a vet check. To much liability from either the buyer or seller (as in this case)They will note what they see as good or bad, possible problems in the future, and from there it is up to the buyer to make a decision. I am curious as to why the buyer did not take the horse to her own vet for the check? If the seller insisted on a check with their personal vet, that would have been a huge red flag (at least to me). Reputable sellers will allow you to take the horse to the vet of your choice. We allow you the choice of a prepurchase check with a vet and a farrier (of your choice) or give you a 5 day window after purchase to do this. And a money back guarantee if the horse is unsound with a written report from the vet or farrier(prevents "buyers' remorse") I personally think private sellers are way more honest that dealers. For most private sellers, it is not the only income they have. For most dealers, they have to keep turning the inventory over, or they starve (which for some would not be a bad thing). Good Luck to your friends.
Edit: One thing I would like to point out about a "club footed horse". I have a horse that a vet called as "slightly club footed". The farrier said that he is was not club footed. So which professional do you believe? Unless a horse is (for the lack of a better term) grossly club footed (and by that I mean that a novice should be able to see the foot is not normal), that would be a point to argue.
A club foot? You would not need a vet or farrier to see that. There are reputable dealers.
I bought my first mare as a 4 year old from a small time dealer. She was a cracker and he tried to buy her back when he saw me competing her a year later!! NEVER get a horse vetted by the dealers vet... always find one yourself or get your vet to recommend one in the area. I know some people who have paid for their vet to travel to Europe to get horses vetted but they are usually buying expensive horses.
If the deformity cannot be seen externally and the horse was not lame on the day of the vetting then I don't see how the vet was liable. Many horses are routinely x-rayed for this reason.
Interesting. I would think an experienced horsewoman of however many years would be able to immediately spot a club foot when they saw one - even if it wasn't "that bad."
I guess there are such thing as reputable dealers but in the horse industry it can be very tricky finding one.
That sucks about the situation - I've been in small claims with a past barn owner and also have a fellow boarder who took a seller to court for a bad vet check as well (the woman's vet cleared the horse, our vet found 3 unflexing legs).
you say the horses were five stage vetted but you dont say if it was the deelers vet who did the vetting or if the friends asked an independant vet to do the vetting.
what i am a bit baffled about is that if they were so experienced, and i am not questioning that fact, is why they themselves didnt spot problems.
dealers can be anything from big sealers to the individual jo bloggs who sells one or two horses. there sre some very very iffy peope out there but on the other hand there are some very genuine people out there as well.
we are not all bad, and many are honest, sadly many are dishonest also
Yes there are but you always have to remember buy beware. Even if your friends vet couldnt do it you NEVER use the sellers vet or any vet the seller might have used always ask questions. The clubbed foot should have been noticeable and not bought. I wish your friends the best but i doubt much can be done with it being over seas and such
the argument that the clients own vet would not travel from jersey is hogwash,i have sent my vet all over the world and any vet worth the name would travel-of course if the cost was too hight then that is a different matter.A4 y.old is at best a very young competition horse and you make no mention of the competition.I have competed in Jersey and found the general standard of competition fairly modest so the uk vet probibaly took that into account.Also,in my experience vets often ask how much the animal cost and vet accordingly,eg if the animal cost many thousands the vetting would be stricter.this is never admitted by vets but they have to make decisions.The club foot as you describe cannot be that bad as a blind man would spot a serious case and the fact your blacksmith can sort it backs that up.
Of course there are reputable dealers,you have slandered the vet,and if you chose the vet,which i am sure you did ,then your judgement is at fault as well-however i cannot believe that a vet would jeopadise a career for a few quid,and i think,after reading your question that you need to reevaluate what you mean by experienced and the fact that your two lady friends have ridden all there lives May make them competent riders,but it does not mean that they are observant.i presume they saw and tried the horse with the deformity,as it was there from birth the horse has evidently got used to handling same and probibaly this deformity will not affect performance.i have had countless horses with so called deformities and they have all worked well and done what was asked.the perfect horse,conformation wise,is a rare animal,and if found would cost well above what would be considered normal,so in other words ,if your friends liked the animals and the heart,and lungs and eyes are fine then get on and enjoy the company and stop moaning.
I have had horses for over fifty years and in my experience have only ever come across one good caring dealer, i would never buy from a dealer as they are only interested in the sale of the horse they are not bothered whether it goes to a good knolagable home, they are not brothered whether the horse is suitable for the person they are selling it too, always best to buy privately, have the best vetting you can and if at all suspicious about the health or condition even the way it handles after you have tried it out for a few time[owner will not mind you coming back and trying it out several time if they are genuine people] don't buy it.Your friends should have had the 10* vetting as it was from a dealer.This would have found the leg problem. A few years ago i went to see a horse[private owner] tired it for a few times felt and handled well, but there was something about him working on his right rein that was not quite right but i though orginally it was something that had happened in his training,i had him vetted 10*[as he was a lot of money to buy] found he had a hole in his tendant, and was buted up to his eye balls, if i had brought this horse i would have worked him for a few days and he would have gone lame,he needed 12month full rest to heal that's if he ever would, later found out this person was selling the horse for her uncle who was a horse dealer, so always be on your gaurd when going to buy a horse, but having said that there are some genuine private owners out there selling there well love,healthy horses.
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In Short NO! there is no such thing as a reputable dealer. Horses tend to go to dealers for one reason, a problem. weather its behavioural or physical.
Always use your own choice of vets.Look in yellow pages for a local one to where you are looking at the horse. (first find out who the seller uses) NEVER the one the seller recommends. ALWAYS have bloods taken (proof of doping should temperament change)
The very best of luck to your friends.
ER...HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT GUY WHO WENT TO BUY A HORSE BUT FIRST HE LOOKED IN THE HORSES MOUTH.
Honestly I haven't met one. I try to buy from private people rather than dealers and the private ppl have screwed me too at times. I have gotten wiser (or just pretend to think that anymore).
The ones that I have bought my mules from in the last 6 yrs were all private raised and they questioned me heavily as I questioned them about what my intentions were with the mules. The mule ppl haven't screwed me yet, but they are out there and they are KNOWN due to it being a small community of people.
If the sellers didn't question me or care enough about their animals to see that they were going to a good place, I would tend to walk on by.
Yes, there are, but very few and far between. The biggest thing to remember is that the dealers have the horses for a short time. They don't know their history, mental or physical. So even the good ones can send you a horse with problems.
I personally would never buy from a dealer. I buy direct from breeders or owners.
I have shopped for several clients. I've never had one complaint about the horses I found for them. I also have people who come to me and stop here. They've had so many bad experiences buying that they want to go through me. I am honest to a fault, and there is nothing hidden, good or bad. From what I hear though, that is very rare.
Sorry for the troubles. Very dissapointing.
There are reputable dealers/brokers, trainers and breeders. You just have to find them. I am always leery of anyone who tries to hard to "sell" a horse.
As to the specific case you are talking about; obviously your friends do not know as much about horses as you/they think do. Your friends couldn't spot a club foot?! If the horse was completely vetted, the abnormality would have showed up.
I have a vet friend who won't do a vet check for this reason. He says that if he missed something, which he is human and it happens, then he is liable for that. It's a good thing your friends got the vet check but on the second horse with the club foot, could they not see that?? I'm just wondering because a club foot would be very noticable.
As to a reputable dealer, I am sure there might be but I have never heard of one. A private person or breeder would be the way to go. Now with the plants closed many horses that have problems will goto places as sound horses, this is a very sad fact. IMO...reputable is out the window for dealers. All they want is the money, they don't care about the horse or the person buying.
Most vets will not "pass or fail" a horse in a vet check. To much liability from either the buyer or seller (as in this case)They will note what they see as good or bad, possible problems in the future, and from there it is up to the buyer to make a decision. I am curious as to why the buyer did not take the horse to her own vet for the check? If the seller insisted on a check with their personal vet, that would have been a huge red flag (at least to me). Reputable sellers will allow you to take the horse to the vet of your choice. We allow you the choice of a prepurchase check with a vet and a farrier (of your choice) or give you a 5 day window after purchase to do this. And a money back guarantee if the horse is unsound with a written report from the vet or farrier(prevents "buyers' remorse") I personally think private sellers are way more honest that dealers. For most private sellers, it is not the only income they have. For most dealers, they have to keep turning the inventory over, or they starve (which for some would not be a bad thing). Good Luck to your friends.
Edit: One thing I would like to point out about a "club footed horse". I have a horse that a vet called as "slightly club footed". The farrier said that he is was not club footed. So which professional do you believe? Unless a horse is (for the lack of a better term) grossly club footed (and by that I mean that a novice should be able to see the foot is not normal), that would be a point to argue.
A club foot? You would not need a vet or farrier to see that. There are reputable dealers.
I bought my first mare as a 4 year old from a small time dealer. She was a cracker and he tried to buy her back when he saw me competing her a year later!! NEVER get a horse vetted by the dealers vet... always find one yourself or get your vet to recommend one in the area. I know some people who have paid for their vet to travel to Europe to get horses vetted but they are usually buying expensive horses.
If the deformity cannot be seen externally and the horse was not lame on the day of the vetting then I don't see how the vet was liable. Many horses are routinely x-rayed for this reason.
Interesting. I would think an experienced horsewoman of however many years would be able to immediately spot a club foot when they saw one - even if it wasn't "that bad."
I guess there are such thing as reputable dealers but in the horse industry it can be very tricky finding one.
That sucks about the situation - I've been in small claims with a past barn owner and also have a fellow boarder who took a seller to court for a bad vet check as well (the woman's vet cleared the horse, our vet found 3 unflexing legs).
you say the horses were five stage vetted but you dont say if it was the deelers vet who did the vetting or if the friends asked an independant vet to do the vetting.
what i am a bit baffled about is that if they were so experienced, and i am not questioning that fact, is why they themselves didnt spot problems.
dealers can be anything from big sealers to the individual jo bloggs who sells one or two horses. there sre some very very iffy peope out there but on the other hand there are some very genuine people out there as well.
we are not all bad, and many are honest, sadly many are dishonest also
Yes there are but you always have to remember buy beware. Even if your friends vet couldnt do it you NEVER use the sellers vet or any vet the seller might have used always ask questions. The clubbed foot should have been noticeable and not bought. I wish your friends the best but i doubt much can be done with it being over seas and such
the argument that the clients own vet would not travel from jersey is hogwash,i have sent my vet all over the world and any vet worth the name would travel-of course if the cost was too hight then that is a different matter.A4 y.old is at best a very young competition horse and you make no mention of the competition.I have competed in Jersey and found the general standard of competition fairly modest so the uk vet probibaly took that into account.Also,in my experience vets often ask how much the animal cost and vet accordingly,eg if the animal cost many thousands the vetting would be stricter.this is never admitted by vets but they have to make decisions.The club foot as you describe cannot be that bad as a blind man would spot a serious case and the fact your blacksmith can sort it backs that up.
Of course there are reputable dealers,you have slandered the vet,and if you chose the vet,which i am sure you did ,then your judgement is at fault as well-however i cannot believe that a vet would jeopadise a career for a few quid,and i think,after reading your question that you need to reevaluate what you mean by experienced and the fact that your two lady friends have ridden all there lives May make them competent riders,but it does not mean that they are observant.i presume they saw and tried the horse with the deformity,as it was there from birth the horse has evidently got used to handling same and probibaly this deformity will not affect performance.i have had countless horses with so called deformities and they have all worked well and done what was asked.the perfect horse,conformation wise,is a rare animal,and if found would cost well above what would be considered normal,so in other words ,if your friends liked the animals and the heart,and lungs and eyes are fine then get on and enjoy the company and stop moaning.
I have had horses for over fifty years and in my experience have only ever come across one good caring dealer, i would never buy from a dealer as they are only interested in the sale of the horse they are not bothered whether it goes to a good knolagable home, they are not brothered whether the horse is suitable for the person they are selling it too, always best to buy privately, have the best vetting you can and if at all suspicious about the health or condition even the way it handles after you have tried it out for a few time[owner will not mind you coming back and trying it out several time if they are genuine people] don't buy it.Your friends should have had the 10* vetting as it was from a dealer.This would have found the leg problem. A few years ago i went to see a horse[private owner] tired it for a few times felt and handled well, but there was something about him working on his right rein that was not quite right but i though orginally it was something that had happened in his training,i had him vetted 10*[as he was a lot of money to buy] found he had a hole in his tendant, and was buted up to his eye balls, if i had brought this horse i would have worked him for a few days and he would have gone lame,he needed 12month full rest to heal that's if he ever would, later found out this person was selling the horse for her uncle who was a horse dealer, so always be on your gaurd when going to buy a horse, but having said that there are some genuine private owners out there selling there well love,healthy horses.
Are there still wild horses within the United States?
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Yes, and you can even "adopt" one.
Yes, in Oklahoma, Arizona, Nevada and some of the more Northwestern states. They are often rounded up and auctioned off by the bureau of land management. Oh yeah, there is also a small tightly controlled herd on Chincoteaque off the coast of Virginia, I think.
yup
yep, they are all over the west coast.
Yes! Here in Nevada, wild horses roam free. I live in Dayton, NV, just 12 miles from the capital, Carson City, and we have many wild horses wandering free. The Bureau of Land Management just released a herd of 15 just on the edge of town. I believe that there are wild horses in most of the western states. Check out the Wild Horse preservation society.
yep there sure is east coast and west coast state's
yep, and i'll be adopting one as soon as i finish training my arab!
http://www.whmentors.org/lhp/adopt01.htm...
You bet. I have a herd right behind my house that I see all the time. Check out this site www.wildhorseandburro.blm.gov/
Yes. They are in Texas, Nevada, and Arizona. But they are trying to keep the population down because they eat so much. Also some live in Montana too. And in a lot of islands. Like some by cuba and one just off of Maryland.
Of course there are some are in Nevada and they roam free and some can be adopted. Also there are the chincotigue ponies in Maryland. You know that book Misty of Chincotigue well its a true story about the wild horses there. Every year they swim the ponies across the channel so they can take some for adoption. It is a very cool experience that I recommend everyone to go and see!!
Chincoteague Island VA has wild horses on the beach. We went there growing up and the horses run wild on the island right next to it called Assateague Island. Look it up online, it is really cool
Southern Missouri still has wild horses. Adopting one and breaking it? Good luck with that! Hope you have a good insurance policy! Your not messing with a stray dog!
Yes, absolutely. My parents live in southeast Idaho, and on their way to church each Sunday they drive up a long valley between mountain ranges and see wild horses on the plains and foothills. They say they see them often, and everyone in the valley knows they are wild. Nobody owns them, and they graze freely. Neat, huh?
heck yeah!
Technically, there are no true wild horses in the US. The only real wild horses left are the Przewalskis in Asia. The horses here in the US are descended from domestic horses therefore they are feral, not wild.
But anyway. There are tons of "wild" horses all over the country. The most famous being the Mustangs, which you will find spread across some of the western states. There's also the Kiger Mustangs, which I believe are found more in the northwest. Plus there are several wild ponies on islands on the east coast of the US... the Chincoteague ponies in Virginia are a huge tourist attraction (if you ever have a chance to go there, I highly recommend it.) There are a few more on islands in North Carolina's Outer Banks, and some more on Cumberland Island in Georgia.
You'll also find wild horses in Canada on Sable Island, and in the Bahamas on Abaco.
Yes. My cousin "adopted" a wild mustang from New Mexico or Nevada.
Yup and i own one. I adopted him 10 years ago as a yearling and he absolutely wonderful.
yes there are still wild horses here in the US
Mainly in Wyoming, Oklahoma, Nevada and some in California
What a wonderful question..yes there are. Central Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Montana and Wyoming. That's all I know. These horses are truly one of Americas finest pieces of history that are still alive today. You should watch the movie Flicka. Its a great story.
Of course! They normally roam in the western area's. You could probably see them if you went to a special group. That's what i did once, they where beautiful. Although you definitely want to stay your distance!
there are also small horses off the barrier islands of north carloina
yes but i don't know where they r
yes i have one
Are there still suicide horse races in the U.S.?
I went to a few in the early 1980's (SD and IA) but they aren't around anymore. I was just curious if they were in any other parts of the country.
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medowlands just had one last saturday
Can you explain what these are under add details?
I never heard of a suicide horse race. But it isn't a bad idea for the Democrat Party primary race.
Yes theres one for sure, I can't remember where its at, or what its called tho. I have seen blogs about it tho.
Yes, unfortunately. They have to be some of the worst races. The horses are not even physically prepared. A suicide race takes place in Omak, washington every summer.
Omak, Washington has one every year, the newspaper shows pictures. why you would want to go to one is beyond me, they are crule the horses arnt physically prepared, and half of them end up being put down after breaking legs or necks from falling. its dangerous to the rider too but i guess some cowboys are just dumb enough to risk their life in need of excitement, GO TO A THEME PARK OR SOMTHING dont hurt animals
How about the people get thrown off trampled? Maybe they'd learn to be nicer to animals that do nothing but work and carry us. Humans are so cruel!
why would you want to put your horse through that? that is wrong. heck you should not be able to own a horse if you even think about that. how would you like it if is sat on you back and asked you to run down a hill, than i trip you up. and let you break a leg or your neck. maybe a few ribs too.
Omak Washington in August.
Its a very deadly race!!
Heres a couple articles.
https://community.hsus.org/campaign/omak...
http://www.paws.org/outreach/campaigns/o...
I haven't heard of a law that has been passed making them illegal, but I strongly feel there should be a law passed. The suicide races are cruel and inhumane.
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medowlands just had one last saturday
Can you explain what these are under add details?
I never heard of a suicide horse race. But it isn't a bad idea for the Democrat Party primary race.
Yes theres one for sure, I can't remember where its at, or what its called tho. I have seen blogs about it tho.
Yes, unfortunately. They have to be some of the worst races. The horses are not even physically prepared. A suicide race takes place in Omak, washington every summer.
Omak, Washington has one every year, the newspaper shows pictures. why you would want to go to one is beyond me, they are crule the horses arnt physically prepared, and half of them end up being put down after breaking legs or necks from falling. its dangerous to the rider too but i guess some cowboys are just dumb enough to risk their life in need of excitement, GO TO A THEME PARK OR SOMTHING dont hurt animals
How about the people get thrown off trampled? Maybe they'd learn to be nicer to animals that do nothing but work and carry us. Humans are so cruel!
why would you want to put your horse through that? that is wrong. heck you should not be able to own a horse if you even think about that. how would you like it if is sat on you back and asked you to run down a hill, than i trip you up. and let you break a leg or your neck. maybe a few ribs too.
Omak Washington in August.
Its a very deadly race!!
Heres a couple articles.
https://community.hsus.org/campaign/omak...
http://www.paws.org/outreach/campaigns/o...
I haven't heard of a law that has been passed making them illegal, but I strongly feel there should be a law passed. The suicide races are cruel and inhumane.
Are there sites that list people needing horse transportation which gives the information free?
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Here's a link that you might find informative:
http://grullablue.com/shipping.htm...
Check out her new babies... They are SOOO cute!
if you find one let me know
it took me forever to find someone affordable to transport all mine to my new ranch in a different state.
I'm not to sure of what you mean free. But you can go on line %26 look that up! I needed a horse transported %26 found the phone numbers I needed.
Are there other ways besides the vet to tell if my mare is pregnant?
the reason I am asking is because when I got her from my sister, she said she wasn't pregnant. But now, lately, I have noticed that her belly is becoming wider and lower. She is a10 year old Arabian Mare. Now I know she was just in season around a month ago...mares can't go into season if they are pregnant can they? And please, if most of the people who tried to answer Jordan M's question about being able to ride during a "horse pregnancy!?"...don't answer mine.it's obvious most you don't know anything. Thank you to any REAL horse people can answer me.
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Is she bagging up? That means, have her nipples started to swell, and has her udder become firm to the touch? Feel her hindquarters- the muscles around her tail will become quite soft and flaccid right before the delivery if she's pregnant- this is nature's way of preparing for the birth. If she was in heat a month ago, though, I seriously doubt she's in foal, unless you either bred her by live cover or she got out and somehow got covered on her own by a stallion. Lincoln, charmer though he may be, is a little too young to be fertile yet, so that's out. I have never known a mare who was pregnant to come into heat, so I think that you are probably seeing a grass or hay belly with her. Even if by some chance the mare was bred, she would NOT be showing signs of impending birth yet. Mares carry foals for 11 months or 340 days, give or take 3 weeks either way. I hope that answers your question.
Are her teets filling up? It could just be a grass belly.. just have the vet come out if your that concerned she could have been running with a stallion.
The only other way I know is that one day you will walk out and find a small horse that you did not have the night before. Other than that, no, vet check is the only way.
If she is in foal she should not be coming into season (but it could happen). I have had a mare that had a false pregancy, (and even thought she had a foal), but have not ever had a bred one come into her heat cycle. And the reason I say this is that when you pasture breed, you will not see the stallion covering bred mares all year long. Once they are bred, they are usually trying to take his head off if he comes anywhere near them. Good Luck!
Honestly, I've always had mine vet checked. One sure way to know would be near mid/late pregnancy when she really starts going pear shaped, develops milk veins under her belly and really starts bagging up in her udders.
I've also noticed my mares are more loving during pregnancy, they want to be touched and loved, push others away from feed etc. You know hehe pregnant women rule!
As far as coming back in season... I would say either a) she isn't bred or b) she reabsorbed (not uncommon)
Why would you not want a vet? Are you giving your own rhino shots?
How long have you had her? Was she exposed to a stallion? Was she really in season or just establishing herself in your herd?
they can appear to be in season, all they are doing is "teasing" the stallion, i have a mare thats almost due and once a month she would tese the stallion
if you are close to a doctor, have them bring a telescope over and listen for 2 heartbeats one for the mare, one for the foal. my dad did this for me. if they think they hear two, go to the vet to be sure. if not, chances are, its nothing. good luck!!
her belly will get wider and lower and her bag will begin to fill up
The quickest way to find out if she is in foal is to either have the vet palpate her or draw blood for testing. When a mare becomes pregnant, the embryo prevents the release of PGF or prostaglandin. The corpus luteum or CL will therefore persist on the ovary, continuing to secrete progesterone to maintain pregnancy. The pregnant mare will therefore not come back into heat.
If she is pregnant, a four-way inoculation for Eastern and Western encephalomyelitis, influenza, and tetanus is recommended at the beginning of pregnancy. Also, the mare should be vaccinated for equine rhinopneumonitis (commonly called virus abortion or rhino) at five, seven, and nine months' gestation. She should be palpated for twins and if they are present, one needs to be pinched.
So in summary, if your mare has been in season recently and was not bred between then and now, it's highly unlikely that she is in foal and more likely that she just has a hay belly. If you are worried, I would just have someone draw some blood for you and drop it off at the vet clinic for testing.
if a baby pops out...... or milk is leaking. sorry..lol
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Is she bagging up? That means, have her nipples started to swell, and has her udder become firm to the touch? Feel her hindquarters- the muscles around her tail will become quite soft and flaccid right before the delivery if she's pregnant- this is nature's way of preparing for the birth. If she was in heat a month ago, though, I seriously doubt she's in foal, unless you either bred her by live cover or she got out and somehow got covered on her own by a stallion. Lincoln, charmer though he may be, is a little too young to be fertile yet, so that's out. I have never known a mare who was pregnant to come into heat, so I think that you are probably seeing a grass or hay belly with her. Even if by some chance the mare was bred, she would NOT be showing signs of impending birth yet. Mares carry foals for 11 months or 340 days, give or take 3 weeks either way. I hope that answers your question.
Are her teets filling up? It could just be a grass belly.. just have the vet come out if your that concerned she could have been running with a stallion.
The only other way I know is that one day you will walk out and find a small horse that you did not have the night before. Other than that, no, vet check is the only way.
If she is in foal she should not be coming into season (but it could happen). I have had a mare that had a false pregancy, (and even thought she had a foal), but have not ever had a bred one come into her heat cycle. And the reason I say this is that when you pasture breed, you will not see the stallion covering bred mares all year long. Once they are bred, they are usually trying to take his head off if he comes anywhere near them. Good Luck!
Honestly, I've always had mine vet checked. One sure way to know would be near mid/late pregnancy when she really starts going pear shaped, develops milk veins under her belly and really starts bagging up in her udders.
I've also noticed my mares are more loving during pregnancy, they want to be touched and loved, push others away from feed etc. You know hehe pregnant women rule!
As far as coming back in season... I would say either a) she isn't bred or b) she reabsorbed (not uncommon)
Why would you not want a vet? Are you giving your own rhino shots?
How long have you had her? Was she exposed to a stallion? Was she really in season or just establishing herself in your herd?
they can appear to be in season, all they are doing is "teasing" the stallion, i have a mare thats almost due and once a month she would tese the stallion
if you are close to a doctor, have them bring a telescope over and listen for 2 heartbeats one for the mare, one for the foal. my dad did this for me. if they think they hear two, go to the vet to be sure. if not, chances are, its nothing. good luck!!
her belly will get wider and lower and her bag will begin to fill up
The quickest way to find out if she is in foal is to either have the vet palpate her or draw blood for testing. When a mare becomes pregnant, the embryo prevents the release of PGF or prostaglandin. The corpus luteum or CL will therefore persist on the ovary, continuing to secrete progesterone to maintain pregnancy. The pregnant mare will therefore not come back into heat.
If she is pregnant, a four-way inoculation for Eastern and Western encephalomyelitis, influenza, and tetanus is recommended at the beginning of pregnancy. Also, the mare should be vaccinated for equine rhinopneumonitis (commonly called virus abortion or rhino) at five, seven, and nine months' gestation. She should be palpated for twins and if they are present, one needs to be pinched.
So in summary, if your mare has been in season recently and was not bred between then and now, it's highly unlikely that she is in foal and more likely that she just has a hay belly. If you are worried, I would just have someone draw some blood for you and drop it off at the vet clinic for testing.
if a baby pops out...... or milk is leaking. sorry..lol
Are there any riders here...?
...around Camp Verde, AZ?
We're moving up there soon and want to find some people to ride trails with. Anyone know of any other groups up there?
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I do not live in that area but I would suggest finding a large stable where there would be plenty of riders to trail ride with. You could also join a club such as the Pony Club or 4h where there will be many willing equestrians to be your trail buddy.
:) Best wishes!
Shoot! I wish you lived near me. I can never find anyone to ride with!
Wow!! I live in AZ just not Camp verde. Good luck with your stay here in AZ. I am sure you will find many horse friends
We're moving up there soon and want to find some people to ride trails with. Anyone know of any other groups up there?
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I do not live in that area but I would suggest finding a large stable where there would be plenty of riders to trail ride with. You could also join a club such as the Pony Club or 4h where there will be many willing equestrians to be your trail buddy.
:) Best wishes!
Shoot! I wish you lived near me. I can never find anyone to ride with!
Wow!! I live in AZ just not Camp verde. Good luck with your stay here in AZ. I am sure you will find many horse friends
Are there any products to help deter mutual grooming?
My mares thick mane is standing up in places from this. Does anyone have any suggestions/advice in regards products that might keep the other horses off her mane?
Something safe that tastes bad?
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You can use a product from jeffers, valley vet and probably other companies called bite back the generic is called sup-er red hot. It tastes hot like cinnamon and is used to deter horses from eating their bandages and wraps. Bitter apple works too. I do know that the farnam product no chew spray is not good to put in their hair as it is wicked sticky and will make a mess. I did find that once when I put original brown Listerine mouth wash on my horse's make to keep him from rubbing it, the other horses stopped grooming him and i assume it was because of the taste or smell. I do not know if it works, but it is worth a try. Good Luck.
Use blue or green dishwashing liquid, cheap, very effective, won't damage the hair and works even after it's rained. We've used this every year for all our weanling, yearlings and any mares that get their manes and tails chewed and never had a problem with skin conditions.
Try Bitter Apple. Found at pet stores, it has an unpleasant taste that deters chewing, whether for horses, cats, dogs, etc.
I would avoid any detergent-based product, as that would dry out the mane and skin, causing your horse to rub the area to relieve the itching.
Mutual grooming is a common and NORMAL interaction for horses. (It gets the 'itches' that the horse can NOT reach by itself! Isn't it easier to have someone else scratch YOUR back?)
I would NOT try to discourage it.
If the mane standing up bothers you, brush it out to lay it down as needed. It apparently doesn't bother her!!
I agree. Use Bitter Apple Spray. We used it on our puppies, and I've even tasted it. It tstes horrible. You can find it at pet stores, but probably not tack shops.
Thats quite a tricky one. Fly spray might help , and also garlic. You could plait the mane up, or put it in bobbles, just to keep it down
Good luck
Alex
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Something safe that tastes bad?
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You can use a product from jeffers, valley vet and probably other companies called bite back the generic is called sup-er red hot. It tastes hot like cinnamon and is used to deter horses from eating their bandages and wraps. Bitter apple works too. I do know that the farnam product no chew spray is not good to put in their hair as it is wicked sticky and will make a mess. I did find that once when I put original brown Listerine mouth wash on my horse's make to keep him from rubbing it, the other horses stopped grooming him and i assume it was because of the taste or smell. I do not know if it works, but it is worth a try. Good Luck.
Use blue or green dishwashing liquid, cheap, very effective, won't damage the hair and works even after it's rained. We've used this every year for all our weanling, yearlings and any mares that get their manes and tails chewed and never had a problem with skin conditions.
Try Bitter Apple. Found at pet stores, it has an unpleasant taste that deters chewing, whether for horses, cats, dogs, etc.
I would avoid any detergent-based product, as that would dry out the mane and skin, causing your horse to rub the area to relieve the itching.
Mutual grooming is a common and NORMAL interaction for horses. (It gets the 'itches' that the horse can NOT reach by itself! Isn't it easier to have someone else scratch YOUR back?)
I would NOT try to discourage it.
If the mane standing up bothers you, brush it out to lay it down as needed. It apparently doesn't bother her!!
I agree. Use Bitter Apple Spray. We used it on our puppies, and I've even tasted it. It tstes horrible. You can find it at pet stores, but probably not tack shops.
Thats quite a tricky one. Fly spray might help , and also garlic. You could plait the mane up, or put it in bobbles, just to keep it down
Good luck
Alex
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Are there any horse riding/ training institutes in Delhi,India.?
If so where and what is the fee structure/ age restrictions.
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Try looking at this website
http://www.ridingworld.com/india/...
or
http://www.realadventures.com/india.htm?...
yes
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Try looking at this website
http://www.ridingworld.com/india/...
or
http://www.realadventures.com/india.htm?...
yes
Are there any horse places in western Oregon and Washington?
Something like the Kentucky Horse Park.
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Go to the city's websites.
States also have great sites, but cities will have specific information.
Look under "Parks and Recreation" and "Tourist Information"
I used to live in the Willamette Valley and we went riding tons of places. The best and closest was Elijah Bristow State Park in Pleasant Hill. They have tons of really nice riding trails and you can even ride up to Dexter Dam.
There are lots of arenas around for riding and showing, from Medford, OR to Spanaway, WA (that's as far North as I showed).
Google the area you want and horse park or trails.
Have fun.
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Go to the city's websites.
States also have great sites, but cities will have specific information.
Look under "Parks and Recreation" and "Tourist Information"
I used to live in the Willamette Valley and we went riding tons of places. The best and closest was Elijah Bristow State Park in Pleasant Hill. They have tons of really nice riding trails and you can even ride up to Dexter Dam.
There are lots of arenas around for riding and showing, from Medford, OR to Spanaway, WA (that's as far North as I showed).
Google the area you want and horse park or trails.
Have fun.
Are there any good exercises for TB in training for jumping??
i have a TBgelding and he is doing SOOO GOOD now i can have do flying lead changes and he's slow...but i don't want exercises that you have to jump jump exercises over gorund poles or with ground poles
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I'd set up a series of trot poles or cavaletti to get him doing gymnastic work. The nice thing about these exercises is they are not as hard on his legs/body as actual jumping is. You can put trot poles in the center and do figure 8s over them.
You should do a lot of grid work. Like with bounces and one strides.
lots of gridwork! This will make him pay attention to where he is putting his feet. Do trot and canter poles with him daily, changing them up as he gets the hang of it. (you can cross them over eachother, put them at angles, ect) What also really helped with my jumpers is (call me crazy) trail riding. Ecspecially where there are lots of roots or up and down hills. That will not only make him aware of his feet, but is also great for building the muscle needed for jumping. Hope that helped! Have fun and be careful!
Crossrails. Or, if he doesn't pick up his feet enough I suggest evenly spacing out poles on the ground and having him trot over them, this will help him learn.
Your TB would really benefit from some dressage work. All horses do, especially jumpers. Not to sound like a sales pitch but in dressage they learn not to get too fresh and excited from jumping, they still have to listen. Its also good to keep them balanced, they can turn faster without "motorbiking" (i.e. they will bend into turns) and they can support their own weight and yours far better. Also, you can rate your speed more easily as you are pacing and approaching jumps. That said here are a few exercises you can do:
Figure eights with ground poles at all gaits
Figure eights with two cavallettis at each end of the figure
Circle bending exercises
Large serpentines in the canter can make flying lead changes more automatic, but start with walk/trot and encourage the bend of his body.
You don't just want slow, you want engaged, esp for TB's who tend to flatten out and disconnect the front from the back end! Try asking for collection and engagement by half halting and circle/volte work.
If he is responding with the collection work, try extending him to really get him to engage and work.
Then try some lateral movements which can actually come in very handy when jumping. When a horse is sensitive to leg pressure (such as required in lateral movements, as well as balance) he can move himself over if hes not shooting for the jump correctly, before you get there.
Ground poles and gridwork are great but you want to mix it up with work on the flat to keep him engaged and in check. I see a lot of people who neglect their flatwork and it shows, both in the lack of control but also in their horses. Too much jumping can really hollow out the back, lead to injury and/or sourness and create a disconnected (and in the long run a sway-backed) horse.
I think someone already suggested hacking which is phenomenal. Horses get tired of arena work, they (just like us) can really need a vacation from the routine. Hacking keeps horses mentally much happier and ready to really work. You can build muscle by jumping stumps and such, be sure you know what's on the other side for safety sake. But the best work out for muscle building is cantering up hills, it keeps the cardiovascular system in great shape. Hills and dressage, at least from my experience, are probably the best ways to take your horse from a stable buddy to a really fit riding mount.
take him out onto state land, if you have any near by, or just get lost for a while with another horse riding friend, start up on a endurance or trail race with them. you should try jumping natural material, such as logs and bushes.
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I'd set up a series of trot poles or cavaletti to get him doing gymnastic work. The nice thing about these exercises is they are not as hard on his legs/body as actual jumping is. You can put trot poles in the center and do figure 8s over them.
You should do a lot of grid work. Like with bounces and one strides.
lots of gridwork! This will make him pay attention to where he is putting his feet. Do trot and canter poles with him daily, changing them up as he gets the hang of it. (you can cross them over eachother, put them at angles, ect) What also really helped with my jumpers is (call me crazy) trail riding. Ecspecially where there are lots of roots or up and down hills. That will not only make him aware of his feet, but is also great for building the muscle needed for jumping. Hope that helped! Have fun and be careful!
Crossrails. Or, if he doesn't pick up his feet enough I suggest evenly spacing out poles on the ground and having him trot over them, this will help him learn.
Your TB would really benefit from some dressage work. All horses do, especially jumpers. Not to sound like a sales pitch but in dressage they learn not to get too fresh and excited from jumping, they still have to listen. Its also good to keep them balanced, they can turn faster without "motorbiking" (i.e. they will bend into turns) and they can support their own weight and yours far better. Also, you can rate your speed more easily as you are pacing and approaching jumps. That said here are a few exercises you can do:
Figure eights with ground poles at all gaits
Figure eights with two cavallettis at each end of the figure
Circle bending exercises
Large serpentines in the canter can make flying lead changes more automatic, but start with walk/trot and encourage the bend of his body.
You don't just want slow, you want engaged, esp for TB's who tend to flatten out and disconnect the front from the back end! Try asking for collection and engagement by half halting and circle/volte work.
If he is responding with the collection work, try extending him to really get him to engage and work.
Then try some lateral movements which can actually come in very handy when jumping. When a horse is sensitive to leg pressure (such as required in lateral movements, as well as balance) he can move himself over if hes not shooting for the jump correctly, before you get there.
Ground poles and gridwork are great but you want to mix it up with work on the flat to keep him engaged and in check. I see a lot of people who neglect their flatwork and it shows, both in the lack of control but also in their horses. Too much jumping can really hollow out the back, lead to injury and/or sourness and create a disconnected (and in the long run a sway-backed) horse.
I think someone already suggested hacking which is phenomenal. Horses get tired of arena work, they (just like us) can really need a vacation from the routine. Hacking keeps horses mentally much happier and ready to really work. You can build muscle by jumping stumps and such, be sure you know what's on the other side for safety sake. But the best work out for muscle building is cantering up hills, it keeps the cardiovascular system in great shape. Hills and dressage, at least from my experience, are probably the best ways to take your horse from a stable buddy to a really fit riding mount.
take him out onto state land, if you have any near by, or just get lost for a while with another horse riding friend, start up on a endurance or trail race with them. you should try jumping natural material, such as logs and bushes.
Are there any exercises I can do to help my horse with flying changes?
I lease a TB gelding, for two days a week. He can't do a flying change unless he runs into it %26 even then he'd rather canter on the wrong lead rather than switch. He can handle simple changes but flying changes seem to just be beyond his grasp. Is there anything I can do to help him out? He's usually shown in the jumpers but I'd like to show him in the Eq before the summer is over %26 any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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He's too heavy on the forehand and cannot lighten his front end enough to switch his leads.
If he doesn't get it the first time, reward the effort and give it another go. The fact that he'll do it running, etc, means he understands what you want and is willing, but not ABLE to do it. He needs muscle and balance.
To canter, the horse has to rock their balance back to free up the inside shoulder and to activate the outside hind (the strike off leg for canter.)
To do a flying change, the horse has to sit down TWICE a much and really free up the front and make sure they are on the back leg.
I would bet that the horse is very heavy on the forehand.
Do LOTS of consecutive half-halts through your simple changes on a HUGE figure eight. Do your half circle, then half halt, release, half halt, release down the diagonal/middle, trot through X, half halt %26 release for several strides then and pick up your new lead about 1/4 of the way down the diagonal.
Do this for about 2-3 weeks, riding 2 or 3 times a week (if your horse can handle that) Be sure to keep working on other things, like clean canter departures, LOTS of changes of gait, (ie: walk, canter, trot walk canter, canter trot canter walk, etc.) Try turn on the haunches and turns on the forehand to see which is easier. If its easier to do turn on the forehand, that will explain that your horse is VERY heavy on the forehand.
On about week 2 1/2, add a "V" shaped trot-pole to your figure 8. So that one pole intersects one diagonal and one pole intersects the other. (set it a bit north of X so your "X" really is in the middle of the 2 poles.)
Start to Aim for your horse to have 3 strides of trot. One before the pole, one over, and one after. THen canter. Remember, half halt and release through EACH stride down that diagonal -- this will help rock him back to a balanced carriage on his hind end.
Do this for SEVERAL weeks until your horse builds up the muscling he needs to carry himself correctly through a flying change.
Horses, like people, have a good side and a bad side. So its easier for him to counter-canter on his good lead than to sit down and rebalance to use his bad lead. So work to build him equally on both sides. Work on getting 100% the most beautiful canter departs on his 'bad' lead!! That way you'll have clean departs on your figure 8, too, even during simple changes!!
After several weeks of improving his muscle tone and making simple changes progessively more difficult (remember, don't move on to the next challenge until he has got the first one down to an ART and is sooo bored b/c he does it so well!) your horse should have enough balance and muscle to start to learn the flying change.
You MUST have a strong half halt and a strong seat to do a flying change.
It is "canter, canter, Halfhalt, canter, halfhalt, CHANGE, halfhalt %26 DRIVE, canter, halfhalt, canter, etc."
If you do not halfhalt to rebalance then drive after the change, he could fall out of the changge.
Do not PUSH the horse.
The minute he does one change, you need to stop, trot him for a bit and then let him walk and be done for the day with LOTS of praise immediately after he does it right. He'll learn that flying changes are good and earn him rewards.
If he is set-up correctly and NOT allowed to plow around on his forehand, he will definately do a change. Almost all horses who are trained at simple changes, with the above training plan to develop muscle, learn to do changes.
To be clear, could you tell us the aids your'e using to ask for the flying change? And can you tell us how you're asking for a half-halt?
figure 8's are good practice. have you checked for lamness?there might be a physical reason he prefers 1 lead to the other, also if he is an x racehorse that might have something to do with it too.
I agree with the figure 8's
It sort of forces him into it if you use a little more rein work.
Ground pole-- ask for the new lead right before, as you would over a jump.
Take a few dressage lessons-- it will help with his balance. It sounds like he's too much on his forehand and cannot balance himself. Other exercises would be shoulder-in /Haunches-in on a 20m circle, and balanced counter canter 20m circles.
The self-carriage that dressage will bring will help SO much with the jumpers... you'll be able to regulate his stride better, get tighter rollbacks, and better jumps.(it'll help your base as well, and that will only improve your equitation!!)
Circles, circles, circles!
Cantering on the wrong lead around a turn will be uncomfortable for him. He should do a flying lead change.
Firstly, be sure he is sound and has no physical reasons for not wanting to swap leads.
Sometimes the only way to get the to do a flying lead change is to throw them into it. It feels awful until they figure it out, and then they catch on to it.
Working in figure 8's over ground poles works wonders too... While I was training my dressage mare, I did a ton of this, and also did some canter serpentines, and she would swap as we left the rail, then swap back as we swerved back onto the rail.
It's not beyond him, it just takes time to figure out - and if you are only riding him 2 days a week, then he's probably not being worked on it the other several days during the week, so it is going to take him longer than a horse in 5-6 day a week training.
Will he swap over fences? If you are shooting for eq. over fences, try schooling him over fences in a figure 8. The fence doesn't need to be high, just needs to be something to jump. He might swap easier over fences if you cue him for it in the air.
Before you try and do flying lead changes, you should make sure the horse picks up the inside shoulder and you are able to move the shoulder however, and wherever you want it. You also need to make sure the horse is moving off of your legs. A good exercise to get him to move off of your legs is to side pass. To be able to move the shoulder start at the walk and jog and take him in circle and take your inside rein across his neck and use the inside leg to get him to move to the outside(nose tipped to the inside of the circle). When you have this down at the walk and job move up to the canter. When you have established control of the shoulder and he is moving off of your legs it will make the figure 8s a lot more easy on you and your horse.
Try taking him over 18" cross rails. If you can, ask him to swap leads on your landing.so If your on the left lead coming to the jump, time it so he takes the right lead when he lands.
when hes on the wronge lead give him some outside leg, and lift your inside hand.
and do work on figure 8's;they should help.
Check with your vet to make sure he is 100% sound, especally in the hock/back end area. If all is well, there are a few simple exercises you can try. One is to lay a pole on the ground on the diagonal line. Canter down the diagonal and turn as you horse canters over the pole. Hopefully he will get the idea and change over the pole (most horse do). After you have done this for a week or two, try it without the pole, just make a turn.
It is ok to ride him a little more forward then you usually would to your changes. Be sure when you ask for the change, you are changing you weight from the old outside sturrip to the new outside sturrip, which will change his balance and help him out. Also, be sure to keep your eyes up and ask someone to supervise from the ground so you can be sure that he changed both his back and front.
Do you have a trainer to help you? He/She might be able to help you out more too.
1 last idea, do lots of down transitions (trot to walk, canter to trot ect.) before doing the changes to get him off his front end and make it easier for him to change.
Hope i helped you!!
It is always interesting to read these comments and no matter what the subject might be it is often suggested to call a vet to check for soundness issues. While in some cases it is viable answer, in most cases though the most helpful piece of advice anyone can offer is seek the help of a professional in your area. Choose carefully,watch them give lessons to other people in your riding skill set and if everything seems good then take some lessons. Having the expertise of a knowledgeable individual is going to help you far more in the long run.
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He's too heavy on the forehand and cannot lighten his front end enough to switch his leads.
If he doesn't get it the first time, reward the effort and give it another go. The fact that he'll do it running, etc, means he understands what you want and is willing, but not ABLE to do it. He needs muscle and balance.
To canter, the horse has to rock their balance back to free up the inside shoulder and to activate the outside hind (the strike off leg for canter.)
To do a flying change, the horse has to sit down TWICE a much and really free up the front and make sure they are on the back leg.
I would bet that the horse is very heavy on the forehand.
Do LOTS of consecutive half-halts through your simple changes on a HUGE figure eight. Do your half circle, then half halt, release, half halt, release down the diagonal/middle, trot through X, half halt %26 release for several strides then and pick up your new lead about 1/4 of the way down the diagonal.
Do this for about 2-3 weeks, riding 2 or 3 times a week (if your horse can handle that) Be sure to keep working on other things, like clean canter departures, LOTS of changes of gait, (ie: walk, canter, trot walk canter, canter trot canter walk, etc.) Try turn on the haunches and turns on the forehand to see which is easier. If its easier to do turn on the forehand, that will explain that your horse is VERY heavy on the forehand.
On about week 2 1/2, add a "V" shaped trot-pole to your figure 8. So that one pole intersects one diagonal and one pole intersects the other. (set it a bit north of X so your "X" really is in the middle of the 2 poles.)
Start to Aim for your horse to have 3 strides of trot. One before the pole, one over, and one after. THen canter. Remember, half halt and release through EACH stride down that diagonal -- this will help rock him back to a balanced carriage on his hind end.
Do this for SEVERAL weeks until your horse builds up the muscling he needs to carry himself correctly through a flying change.
Horses, like people, have a good side and a bad side. So its easier for him to counter-canter on his good lead than to sit down and rebalance to use his bad lead. So work to build him equally on both sides. Work on getting 100% the most beautiful canter departs on his 'bad' lead!! That way you'll have clean departs on your figure 8, too, even during simple changes!!
After several weeks of improving his muscle tone and making simple changes progessively more difficult (remember, don't move on to the next challenge until he has got the first one down to an ART and is sooo bored b/c he does it so well!) your horse should have enough balance and muscle to start to learn the flying change.
You MUST have a strong half halt and a strong seat to do a flying change.
It is "canter, canter, Halfhalt, canter, halfhalt, CHANGE, halfhalt %26 DRIVE, canter, halfhalt, canter, etc."
If you do not halfhalt to rebalance then drive after the change, he could fall out of the changge.
Do not PUSH the horse.
The minute he does one change, you need to stop, trot him for a bit and then let him walk and be done for the day with LOTS of praise immediately after he does it right. He'll learn that flying changes are good and earn him rewards.
If he is set-up correctly and NOT allowed to plow around on his forehand, he will definately do a change. Almost all horses who are trained at simple changes, with the above training plan to develop muscle, learn to do changes.
To be clear, could you tell us the aids your'e using to ask for the flying change? And can you tell us how you're asking for a half-halt?
figure 8's are good practice. have you checked for lamness?there might be a physical reason he prefers 1 lead to the other, also if he is an x racehorse that might have something to do with it too.
I agree with the figure 8's
It sort of forces him into it if you use a little more rein work.
Ground pole-- ask for the new lead right before, as you would over a jump.
Take a few dressage lessons-- it will help with his balance. It sounds like he's too much on his forehand and cannot balance himself. Other exercises would be shoulder-in /Haunches-in on a 20m circle, and balanced counter canter 20m circles.
The self-carriage that dressage will bring will help SO much with the jumpers... you'll be able to regulate his stride better, get tighter rollbacks, and better jumps.(it'll help your base as well, and that will only improve your equitation!!)
Circles, circles, circles!
Cantering on the wrong lead around a turn will be uncomfortable for him. He should do a flying lead change.
Firstly, be sure he is sound and has no physical reasons for not wanting to swap leads.
Sometimes the only way to get the to do a flying lead change is to throw them into it. It feels awful until they figure it out, and then they catch on to it.
Working in figure 8's over ground poles works wonders too... While I was training my dressage mare, I did a ton of this, and also did some canter serpentines, and she would swap as we left the rail, then swap back as we swerved back onto the rail.
It's not beyond him, it just takes time to figure out - and if you are only riding him 2 days a week, then he's probably not being worked on it the other several days during the week, so it is going to take him longer than a horse in 5-6 day a week training.
Will he swap over fences? If you are shooting for eq. over fences, try schooling him over fences in a figure 8. The fence doesn't need to be high, just needs to be something to jump. He might swap easier over fences if you cue him for it in the air.
Before you try and do flying lead changes, you should make sure the horse picks up the inside shoulder and you are able to move the shoulder however, and wherever you want it. You also need to make sure the horse is moving off of your legs. A good exercise to get him to move off of your legs is to side pass. To be able to move the shoulder start at the walk and jog and take him in circle and take your inside rein across his neck and use the inside leg to get him to move to the outside(nose tipped to the inside of the circle). When you have this down at the walk and job move up to the canter. When you have established control of the shoulder and he is moving off of your legs it will make the figure 8s a lot more easy on you and your horse.
Try taking him over 18" cross rails. If you can, ask him to swap leads on your landing.so If your on the left lead coming to the jump, time it so he takes the right lead when he lands.
when hes on the wronge lead give him some outside leg, and lift your inside hand.
and do work on figure 8's;they should help.
Check with your vet to make sure he is 100% sound, especally in the hock/back end area. If all is well, there are a few simple exercises you can try. One is to lay a pole on the ground on the diagonal line. Canter down the diagonal and turn as you horse canters over the pole. Hopefully he will get the idea and change over the pole (most horse do). After you have done this for a week or two, try it without the pole, just make a turn.
It is ok to ride him a little more forward then you usually would to your changes. Be sure when you ask for the change, you are changing you weight from the old outside sturrip to the new outside sturrip, which will change his balance and help him out. Also, be sure to keep your eyes up and ask someone to supervise from the ground so you can be sure that he changed both his back and front.
Do you have a trainer to help you? He/She might be able to help you out more too.
1 last idea, do lots of down transitions (trot to walk, canter to trot ect.) before doing the changes to get him off his front end and make it easier for him to change.
Hope i helped you!!
It is always interesting to read these comments and no matter what the subject might be it is often suggested to call a vet to check for soundness issues. While in some cases it is viable answer, in most cases though the most helpful piece of advice anyone can offer is seek the help of a professional in your area. Choose carefully,watch them give lessons to other people in your riding skill set and if everything seems good then take some lessons. Having the expertise of a knowledgeable individual is going to help you far more in the long run.
Are there any careers with horses that pays a lot of money but doesnt take up all your time?
i am looking for a career with horses that pays a lot of money, but doesnt take up all my time so i have time to enjoy my farm. i heard boarding doesnt make a lot of money and to give lessons you have to have lesson horses. being a vet takes up a lot of time. i would like a career that only needs one or two horses and makes a lot of money. racing is cruel so that is not an option. are there any college classes that you can take for training horses? any ideas will help me a lot.
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Directly put, no! Horses as a hobby or a profession are very time consuming, especially if you plan on doing it right. There is not really good easy way to make a lot of money with horses unless you start out with even more. To make a lot of money in this business you have to be one of the BEST at what you do, then people will pay you whatever you ask, but to get to that point you have to put in a LOT of work. And starting out under someone that is one of the best doesn't hurt matters none. There is not a career with horses where you start out making a lot of money for a little time. But there are plenty of careers with horses where you start out making a little money for a lot of time.
Horses= Time and Money. It's really inevitable to try and get into the horse business without much of the two.
i don't think so. maybe you could open your own vet clinic especially for horses. once it grows large enough, you will have enough employees so that you can easily take time off, and then retire at an early age while still owning the clinic. i don't really know. sorry
to be a lesson teacher isn't high- paying and you don't have to be certified or anything.
No, sorry, if you want to make $ with horses- you have to put in the time. Otherwise hire a trainer to do the horsework for you but that equals less time and more money... If you don't want to put in serious time or money- just keep horses as a hobby- not a career.
giving lessons. i think you have to be certified or something but it's a good paying job, and you can manage your own hours, (of course you'd have to have a horse, but if you already have one then it's totally worth it) good luck
If you loved horses at all you would want to spend time with them. well you can go place to place to train other people
You can show your horses in like a 4-h club show or you can rent your horses out for trail rides.God Luck!!
"are there any careers with horses that pays a lot of money but doesnt take up all your time? "
NO!
Let me know if you find one - or maybe you could sell the "secret" on Ebay.
Sorry, but working with horses is just that - working. In the cold, and in the dirt.
Maybe, if you are lucky you could start out as an instructor/ livery owner and in about 20 years be able to employ people to do the dirty work for you but the only way you are going to get there is to do it all yourself to start with.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
LOL...NO! Just get a good paying, non-horse job and keep the farm as your hobby. That way you can have a 9-5 or flex time job and still have plenty of time for your horses.
Oh, and racing is not cruel. There are plenty of unethical trainers/owners/riders in all aspects of the equine world, not just racing. If you want to be in the horse business, you have to be diplomatic and not stereotype other disciplines just because you may not like them...they may feel the same way about your chosen discipline. Just food for thought.
Pay a lot of money but don't take up much time? ah I don't think so. If you find one, let me know.
a horse masoos/therapist or chiropractor. they're excellent jobs (expecially the chiropractor) you should look into them! :)
No..plain and simple..Only needs one or two horses??And if you become a horse trainer you cant get by training one or two ..Trainers in my breed get an average of 600.00 a month per horse and they have to train/ride it usually 5 days a week but it still needs care the other 2 days,and that monthly fee also covers the horse's board (hay ,feed, stabling) If you dont treat the horse right in an effort to save money you wont have clients.If you cant train,,you wont have clients. Horses are not vechicles you can park in a garage on weekends and not take care of.They are living creatures that depend on us for their care..I think you might be better off just going to a stable to ride once a month to get your 'horse fix' The old saying about horses is "To make a small fortune in horses, start with a large fortune"
Invest in a good stallion. Take about one or two years to train, race, show, ride endurance, or something else that will make hie worth more money. Once he has made a lot of money and is worth a lot, use him for breeding. Semen goes for 750 to 3500 dollars, and even more with really valuable stallions with good bloodlines. The average stallion can produce enough semen to make 8000 dollars or more a day, you just need to sell it. By this you could make 1000 to 10000 dollars in a week, maybe even more.
I'm not sure if there's anything out there unless U plan 2 B a vet. Other stuff like caring 4 horses as a living I think may B a dead/dying thing, @ least in my area. most ppl care 4 their own animals on their own land. there's also a liability issue %26 ppl often don't want outsiders/strangers around their animals. In fact I have an aquaintance who won't let me around her ponies simp[ly because she doesn't know me, but a friend of hers w/ whom she went 2 school, she'd let ride her ponies. it's often a matter of knowing the owners. different ppl have their animals 4 different purposes, so be aware of that. 4 example, U have a better chance of helping a friend w/ chores on their farm than U would in having a chance in even getting close expensive champion thoroughbreds. Your best bet would B 2 just become a vet where U could care 4 a wide variety of animals.
There is not a single career you can find with horses that is going to make alot of money and not take up your time. Sorry, that's just the way it is. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Directly put, no! Horses as a hobby or a profession are very time consuming, especially if you plan on doing it right. There is not really good easy way to make a lot of money with horses unless you start out with even more. To make a lot of money in this business you have to be one of the BEST at what you do, then people will pay you whatever you ask, but to get to that point you have to put in a LOT of work. And starting out under someone that is one of the best doesn't hurt matters none. There is not a career with horses where you start out making a lot of money for a little time. But there are plenty of careers with horses where you start out making a little money for a lot of time.
Horses= Time and Money. It's really inevitable to try and get into the horse business without much of the two.
i don't think so. maybe you could open your own vet clinic especially for horses. once it grows large enough, you will have enough employees so that you can easily take time off, and then retire at an early age while still owning the clinic. i don't really know. sorry
to be a lesson teacher isn't high- paying and you don't have to be certified or anything.
No, sorry, if you want to make $ with horses- you have to put in the time. Otherwise hire a trainer to do the horsework for you but that equals less time and more money... If you don't want to put in serious time or money- just keep horses as a hobby- not a career.
giving lessons. i think you have to be certified or something but it's a good paying job, and you can manage your own hours, (of course you'd have to have a horse, but if you already have one then it's totally worth it) good luck
If you loved horses at all you would want to spend time with them. well you can go place to place to train other people
You can show your horses in like a 4-h club show or you can rent your horses out for trail rides.God Luck!!
"are there any careers with horses that pays a lot of money but doesnt take up all your time? "
NO!
Let me know if you find one - or maybe you could sell the "secret" on Ebay.
Sorry, but working with horses is just that - working. In the cold, and in the dirt.
Maybe, if you are lucky you could start out as an instructor/ livery owner and in about 20 years be able to employ people to do the dirty work for you but the only way you are going to get there is to do it all yourself to start with.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
LOL...NO! Just get a good paying, non-horse job and keep the farm as your hobby. That way you can have a 9-5 or flex time job and still have plenty of time for your horses.
Oh, and racing is not cruel. There are plenty of unethical trainers/owners/riders in all aspects of the equine world, not just racing. If you want to be in the horse business, you have to be diplomatic and not stereotype other disciplines just because you may not like them...they may feel the same way about your chosen discipline. Just food for thought.
Pay a lot of money but don't take up much time? ah I don't think so. If you find one, let me know.
a horse masoos/therapist or chiropractor. they're excellent jobs (expecially the chiropractor) you should look into them! :)
No..plain and simple..Only needs one or two horses??And if you become a horse trainer you cant get by training one or two ..Trainers in my breed get an average of 600.00 a month per horse and they have to train/ride it usually 5 days a week but it still needs care the other 2 days,and that monthly fee also covers the horse's board (hay ,feed, stabling) If you dont treat the horse right in an effort to save money you wont have clients.If you cant train,,you wont have clients. Horses are not vechicles you can park in a garage on weekends and not take care of.They are living creatures that depend on us for their care..I think you might be better off just going to a stable to ride once a month to get your 'horse fix' The old saying about horses is "To make a small fortune in horses, start with a large fortune"
Invest in a good stallion. Take about one or two years to train, race, show, ride endurance, or something else that will make hie worth more money. Once he has made a lot of money and is worth a lot, use him for breeding. Semen goes for 750 to 3500 dollars, and even more with really valuable stallions with good bloodlines. The average stallion can produce enough semen to make 8000 dollars or more a day, you just need to sell it. By this you could make 1000 to 10000 dollars in a week, maybe even more.
I'm not sure if there's anything out there unless U plan 2 B a vet. Other stuff like caring 4 horses as a living I think may B a dead/dying thing, @ least in my area. most ppl care 4 their own animals on their own land. there's also a liability issue %26 ppl often don't want outsiders/strangers around their animals. In fact I have an aquaintance who won't let me around her ponies simp[ly because she doesn't know me, but a friend of hers w/ whom she went 2 school, she'd let ride her ponies. it's often a matter of knowing the owners. different ppl have their animals 4 different purposes, so be aware of that. 4 example, U have a better chance of helping a friend w/ chores on their farm than U would in having a chance in even getting close expensive champion thoroughbreds. Your best bet would B 2 just become a vet where U could care 4 a wide variety of animals.
There is not a single career you can find with horses that is going to make alot of money and not take up your time. Sorry, that's just the way it is. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Are suspension problems hereditary in Tennessee Walking horses? And do you recognize this horse at all?
My TWH gelding's pasterns in his back legs are very low to the ground.
Here are pictures of what I'm talking about:
http://i10.tinypic.com/4m041g4.jpg...
http://i7.tinypic.com/4pcj28l.jpg...
What I'm wondering is if this can be hereditary, or could it had happened perhaps from him being worked too much or at a young age? He also is pretty stiff, but I think that is because he has Lyme.
I bought Chance from a horse-dealer type person, and Chance was in bad shape. He was about 200 lbs under-wieght, and had worms. I don't know anything about C's past, and if anyone recognizes him, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know. I am dying to find out anything about his past. And any suggestions on how to have more people see about him would be appreciated. Oh, and by the way, C is doing great now. He is healthy and happy.
Here is a picture of him that I recently took after he got a bath:
http://i19.tinypic.com/4mn63hj.jpg...
http://i11.tinypic.com/4lysco0.jpg...
Thank you!
Answers:
To me, it appears as a suspensory ligament injury. I have seen wayyyyy worse than that however, his appears mild.
I have seen injuries like that on a Standardbred race horse and then a QH mare, but they were much more severe and the horse was rendered unuseable. The standardbred could be driven for 10min/day only.
I don't think its heriditary and could be caused from just having weak ligaments.
To not make it worse, he is light riding only, no loping, jumping, going up and down steep hills etc.
I would have a vet tell you exactly what his limits are however. Good luck to you and hoping for a good outcome!
Soring is usually a front end tactic not a hind feet one.
Those horses are bred horribly, and I would bet they were from that. They are also worked very early, so I doubt that it helped his bad legs.
I'm a huge TWH fan, I own them, ride them, they are my breed of choice. The answer above is right...soring is usually done in the front for lift...but at the same time, there is a strong possibility he may have been sored at some time or had artificial things done to get his rear to push. The fact is, it's the sad and tragic history of too many TWH. That is a huge stigma on our breed, but certainly not indicative of us all or even the breed itself. There are many of us, I'd like to believe a growing majority, who are of the mind that the horse should move right naturally, without artificial equipment or treatments.
From your pics, I don't think his hair is "wavy" in the same way wiki is referring. Once you've seen it, you know it. Think wet, permanent wave. This is a by-product of chemical soring. It's actually more indicative of recent soring rather than historic.
DSLD is a suspensory ligament disorder. People call it the "Peruvian Disease" or disorder because it was first noticed in Peruvian Pasos. Call it that in front of an avid Peruvian fan and you'll likely get a long, hot response. It's not a fair statement, it is also found in other gaited breeds as well as track horses. I have two related Peruvians. One has sloping pasterns so long that his hocks hit the ground at a walk. He is pasture art. The other is a fine ride, no indication of any problems.
It's causes are speculative, some believe there is a genetic predisposition (and there certainly is to the traits that seem to lend themselves to the disorder, however, not every horse with long pasterns develops DSLD) others believe it is performance/use related.
Here's a website that can give you info on DSLD. I'll get off my soapbox now. Chance is lucky to have you. Work with your vet, there are treatments available to lengthen Chance's serviceable years and most importantly, his comfort.
www.horseshoes.com/anatomy/esa...
yes it is. Tennessee walkers are known for suspension problems. My first horse that I rode seriously was a TW/QH cross and her back legs looked exactly like his. she was able to have a very full life though despite her confirmation issues. she was steadily ridden and used for lessons until she was about 25, after that she developed really bad arthritis in her fetlocks and her owner put her down when she was about 28-29 because of her discomfort.
This is something I typically see in Tennessee walkers.
It provides for the gait that they put out.
It allows for a smoother more forward gait.
Horse with long deep pasterns usually have a more comfortable feel to the ride, but can in the late future end up with some arthritis.
I would just suggest no crazy stuff with him.
Good Luck!
I think its just a Tennese walkers build but have checked by a farrier and ask him or her BUT HE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRETTY !
Beautiful boy, glad you found him before his situation ended badly. Anyway, it appears that he has DSLD...check out this info http://www.horseshoes.com/anatomy/esad/i...
Also, do a search on DSLD(Degenerative Suspensory Ligament Desmitis). Some horses can be born with it, I have heard it called "coon footed" before. And some horses develop this over time from being overworked. Do some research and consult with your vet about what you can do to keep him sound and feeling good. Some corrective shoeing may help him...talk to your vet and farrier. Good luck with him.
Looks as though you have some good answers here. I have tennessee walkers and I ride, train, show, and breed them, as well as shoe them. All of mine are pretty much the same way It has alot to do with the way you set the horses foot during your farrier work. It has alot to do with the farrier also. If your farrier is not used to TWH's then this could be your trouble. He actually looks like he has had a keg trim which is usually a more of quarter horse cut. (Squared Off) Walkers move differently than quarters, He needs to be lowered in the toe and left with more of a heel, also leave more toe on his foot. Let it grow out and don't trim back just trim down if you know what I mean. The way his rear foot looks I would guess he is pacey, and slightly if not heavily choppy in his gait. Let his heel grow which will sit him up more in the back end. Soreing can be on the back feet too. There are alot of trainer that will get a horse with good front end action but will not get under himself in the rear or will not "squat" in the rear or does not have the reach they might want in the rear. They leave the front alone and start working on the rear, ie: chains, burns, weight, etc... I do not do this to my horses they do not get any of this the way I see it is if my horse is going to carry pads then they will do it naturally. I am not going to "MAKE" my horses do anything they don't do comfortably to begin with. But anyway I hope this helps you He is pretty by the way Good Luck
Here are pictures of what I'm talking about:
http://i10.tinypic.com/4m041g4.jpg...
http://i7.tinypic.com/4pcj28l.jpg...
What I'm wondering is if this can be hereditary, or could it had happened perhaps from him being worked too much or at a young age? He also is pretty stiff, but I think that is because he has Lyme.
I bought Chance from a horse-dealer type person, and Chance was in bad shape. He was about 200 lbs under-wieght, and had worms. I don't know anything about C's past, and if anyone recognizes him, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know. I am dying to find out anything about his past. And any suggestions on how to have more people see about him would be appreciated. Oh, and by the way, C is doing great now. He is healthy and happy.
Here is a picture of him that I recently took after he got a bath:
http://i19.tinypic.com/4mn63hj.jpg...
http://i11.tinypic.com/4lysco0.jpg...
Thank you!
Answers:
To me, it appears as a suspensory ligament injury. I have seen wayyyyy worse than that however, his appears mild.
I have seen injuries like that on a Standardbred race horse and then a QH mare, but they were much more severe and the horse was rendered unuseable. The standardbred could be driven for 10min/day only.
I don't think its heriditary and could be caused from just having weak ligaments.
To not make it worse, he is light riding only, no loping, jumping, going up and down steep hills etc.
I would have a vet tell you exactly what his limits are however. Good luck to you and hoping for a good outcome!
Soring is usually a front end tactic not a hind feet one.
Those horses are bred horribly, and I would bet they were from that. They are also worked very early, so I doubt that it helped his bad legs.
I'm a huge TWH fan, I own them, ride them, they are my breed of choice. The answer above is right...soring is usually done in the front for lift...but at the same time, there is a strong possibility he may have been sored at some time or had artificial things done to get his rear to push. The fact is, it's the sad and tragic history of too many TWH. That is a huge stigma on our breed, but certainly not indicative of us all or even the breed itself. There are many of us, I'd like to believe a growing majority, who are of the mind that the horse should move right naturally, without artificial equipment or treatments.
From your pics, I don't think his hair is "wavy" in the same way wiki is referring. Once you've seen it, you know it. Think wet, permanent wave. This is a by-product of chemical soring. It's actually more indicative of recent soring rather than historic.
DSLD is a suspensory ligament disorder. People call it the "Peruvian Disease" or disorder because it was first noticed in Peruvian Pasos. Call it that in front of an avid Peruvian fan and you'll likely get a long, hot response. It's not a fair statement, it is also found in other gaited breeds as well as track horses. I have two related Peruvians. One has sloping pasterns so long that his hocks hit the ground at a walk. He is pasture art. The other is a fine ride, no indication of any problems.
It's causes are speculative, some believe there is a genetic predisposition (and there certainly is to the traits that seem to lend themselves to the disorder, however, not every horse with long pasterns develops DSLD) others believe it is performance/use related.
Here's a website that can give you info on DSLD. I'll get off my soapbox now. Chance is lucky to have you. Work with your vet, there are treatments available to lengthen Chance's serviceable years and most importantly, his comfort.
www.horseshoes.com/anatomy/esa...
yes it is. Tennessee walkers are known for suspension problems. My first horse that I rode seriously was a TW/QH cross and her back legs looked exactly like his. she was able to have a very full life though despite her confirmation issues. she was steadily ridden and used for lessons until she was about 25, after that she developed really bad arthritis in her fetlocks and her owner put her down when she was about 28-29 because of her discomfort.
This is something I typically see in Tennessee walkers.
It provides for the gait that they put out.
It allows for a smoother more forward gait.
Horse with long deep pasterns usually have a more comfortable feel to the ride, but can in the late future end up with some arthritis.
I would just suggest no crazy stuff with him.
Good Luck!
I think its just a Tennese walkers build but have checked by a farrier and ask him or her BUT HE IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRETTY !
Beautiful boy, glad you found him before his situation ended badly. Anyway, it appears that he has DSLD...check out this info http://www.horseshoes.com/anatomy/esad/i...
Also, do a search on DSLD(Degenerative Suspensory Ligament Desmitis). Some horses can be born with it, I have heard it called "coon footed" before. And some horses develop this over time from being overworked. Do some research and consult with your vet about what you can do to keep him sound and feeling good. Some corrective shoeing may help him...talk to your vet and farrier. Good luck with him.
Looks as though you have some good answers here. I have tennessee walkers and I ride, train, show, and breed them, as well as shoe them. All of mine are pretty much the same way It has alot to do with the way you set the horses foot during your farrier work. It has alot to do with the farrier also. If your farrier is not used to TWH's then this could be your trouble. He actually looks like he has had a keg trim which is usually a more of quarter horse cut. (Squared Off) Walkers move differently than quarters, He needs to be lowered in the toe and left with more of a heel, also leave more toe on his foot. Let it grow out and don't trim back just trim down if you know what I mean. The way his rear foot looks I would guess he is pacey, and slightly if not heavily choppy in his gait. Let his heel grow which will sit him up more in the back end. Soreing can be on the back feet too. There are alot of trainer that will get a horse with good front end action but will not get under himself in the rear or will not "squat" in the rear or does not have the reach they might want in the rear. They leave the front alone and start working on the rear, ie: chains, burns, weight, etc... I do not do this to my horses they do not get any of this the way I see it is if my horse is going to carry pads then they will do it naturally. I am not going to "MAKE" my horses do anything they don't do comfortably to begin with. But anyway I hope this helps you He is pretty by the way Good Luck
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