We are looking for training for my 3 year old quarter horse gelding. I talked to the owner of Rafter6quarterhorses and said they would train him for $450. This includes:
45 days traning
board, feed, etc.
However, I'm questioning how much training they will get done. This horse of mine is VERY energetic. He's like a big puppy dog. I'm not sure how much they would get done with him in 45 days.
Should I maybe see if they would come out and look at him first? So that they could get to know him a little, just to see that they're dealing with and then MAYBE they would have an idea on how much they would get done in 45 days?
Answers:
Being a trainer myself I would say that $450 for 45 days of training is a good deal if the trainer knows what they are doing. 45 days is actually a good bit of training...But that much time can make or break your horse. A trainer can do alot of good in 45 days or they can do alot of damage in 45 days...my advice to you is to ask around %26 talk to people who have personally had their horse in training there. Find out if they were satisfied %26 would reccommend you taking your horse there. I am always happy to give potential clients references that they can talk to before bringing a horse to me..I feel any reputable trainer should be willing to do the same. If you get good references %26 decide to take your horse there...be a responsible owner %26 keep an eye on things..if at any time you don't like whats going on, you absolutely have the right to remove your horse. Good luck!
yes very good
That sounds actually a little low. Are you sure they're reputable?
Unless you can afford it.. i think that's a lot...
thats a half a grand! i wouldn't spend that much.. but it all depends on you..
Thats like 10 dollars a day!! wow.. i would have them come out and take a look at your horse(not only for them to meet your horse, but for you to be able to trust them!!) good luck!
YES. They need to see the personality of the horse before they make any guarantees. Also, make sure you ask about their methods of training. See if they can give you any references for other clients they have. Ask detailed questions. This is important that it is done well.
I think this is a good deal. It use to be 30 days training for that price. Horse trainers know what their doing even if it is with a young horse. They know the tricks of the trade to turn that energy into a learning experience. This is the right time to start to train. A young happy horse is more willing to learn and want to please with what he has learned. Just make sure you get this all in writing and a signed contract to protect your interest.
I would say that pretty good considering that includes board and feed as well. Take that into consideration. The $450 is not just for training. But, before you ship your horse off, make sure to ask HOW MUCH training he will get. 1 hour/day for 5 days a week etc. Its always good to have them come evaluate the horse first to see if 45 days is even enough.
I don't know where you live, but here in CA it would cost at least 3 times that. A month and a half is not much time either. I think you're right they should see your horse first and you should see how they train before turning your horse over to them. Hope it all works out for you, the right training is so important. All the best;^)
Depends on what your training him for It takes a lot longer than 45 days to train a good horse their just going to break him to ride and that's about all your going to get for your money...
To me 45 days is the cowboy verision of breaking . Depending on how much training you agreed to i guess it's ok but 45 days means you'll be able to ride him saddle and bridle him it takes longer to really break a horse right. Just be careful .
yes!
good luck!
That's the rate I pay my trainer (TWH), $300 for 30 days, $600 for 60 and I provide feed and hay.
During this time my horse is ridden and worked daily. I am welcome to call for progress reports and to come down for a "spin" either on one of hers to watch mine or to ride my own.
That sounds like a good price, I would however if you have not checked it out before, go and look at the place, meet the trainer in person, and have them give you a walk through. You can do a lot with a horse in 45 days or even 30 days. You would be amazed at what you can accomplish as long as you are an experienced trainer and use consistency in your training techniques. I have trained some very energetic thoroughbreds and you would be surprised what you can do in 30 days however once the ground work has been laid it must be followed up upon. Also 45 days is not necessarily "breaking the cowboy way", I use natural horsemanship and again I stress, it is all about the consistancy.
Most trainers will not come to your place and look, but will evaluate your horse for you at their place at no charge. Mostly what you will get in 45 days is the basic foundation work. Walk, trot, lope, stop, back up, and a beginning neck reining. I cannot comment on whether this trainer is good or bad, since i have never met them, and know nothing about them. But, sometimes you need to look at more than just pricing. How many horses do they have in training right now? If the answer is over 10, and there is only one person riding the horses, your horse may not get ridden as much as you would like them to. Do they promise you the "moon"? .That your horse will be finished in 45 days and you will be able to do anything you want with him from then on? Without ever seeing him? No trainer should ever make this kind of promise. Few horses can go from start to finish in 45 days. Can you drop by anytime and see your horse? A lot of trainers want to know when you are coming, so that they can be sure to be riding your horse when you get there. Have you just dropped by unannouced and seen what goes on? That is a great way to get a true look at a trainer. I have seen trainers change methods when no customers are present. Are you comfortable with them? Can you come out and take lessons on your own horse? Or are they trying to sell you something that they have in the barn? Is there a training contract that spells out specificly who is responsible for what. That way there is no "sticker shock" when you get the bill. These are just a few things to think about when picking a trainer for your horse. Good Luck!
This is a very reasonable rate, assuming your trainer is a good one.
In 45 days they should be able to get him saddle-broken and "get his bucks out", so to speak. They'll probably get his basic gaits down, too.
3 Y.O is a little bit young to start any heavy riding but there is no reason they can't get him saddle-broke and have someone sit on him to walk around. That won't be too hard on his skeletal system.
I agree with bmybabytoday, Hayley R, and paint pony has some very helpful advise you NEED to take.
Being that they already said most of what I was thinking, I would also like to add...Will they teach you how to handle your horse when they are done (or during)? Being that every trainer has different techniques, and riding ques, etc. It is important that you are taught what he was taught. In 45 days he should have his basics (as mentioned), but it will be up to you to enforce them while you are finishing him up for what ever sport you choose.
I do hope that you are not expecting a completely dead broke 3 year old when he comes back from his 45 day teaching session, because that is not what you will get. He is still only 3 and going to still be very energetic (some never grow out of it), and continue to test his boundaries for possibly even a few more years - just wanted to make sure that you were aware.
So good luck! You got some great suggestions here that you need to keep in mind!
first see how the first day goes
That is really cheap. That is only ten dollars a day, and if it includes room and board that leaves very little for the training. The trainer may be a saint and not mind working for really cheap, but my experience is that you usually get what you pay for. I would go out and watch him work with one of the other horses he is training or see how one of the horses he trained behaves. References are misleading because no one is going to give you a bad reference. You need to go out and see this trainer train, or see the results he has gotten from other horses.
In my area, a trainer will charge twice that if it is including board and feed. Usually a little more. To be honest, most of the good trainers I know will not set a price until they see your horse - and you - and work with the horse once free of charge.
Best of Luck!
Hi, i'm from Platte City, Missouri, and we have some extremely talented people that train, buy, and sell show quarter horses. I also know a man in Sasabe, Arizona that is known for training phenominal horses. Assuming you train western and want to show your puppy dog, look in to these people in Platte City Missouri. As you probably know, there is a HUGE difference between getting a horse broke, or training a horse. The Platte City people are amazing, and currently have the most amazing 3 year old quarter horse, which has been shown, and wins. (she's on the internet site i'll give you, her name is Sophie) They're also wonderful if you want to buy another horse. We bought my first horse from them and began training (me too! I'd never shown before) and within 6 weeks, we placed in all our events at the American Royal (HUGE midwest show). The next year we got highpoint. If you want a horse broke, let me know, and i'll get the guy in Arizona's number. The website for the Platte City people is www.minerranch.com. If you're willing to make the drive to missouri, its worth it! Look them up and see what they have to offer!
Info about the show trainers:
They're a couple (Amy and Jeff). Amy has been world champion, and Jeff is known throughout the midwest for awesome show horses. (NO JOKE!) Every 6 weeks a man from conniticut drives out and buys around 8 horses, takes them out to the east coast and sells them.
That would be a good idea- to let them come out. Warn them that they should put some more training on him. That is a good price, but go and see what it looks like out there. Maybe it's not nearly as nice as made out to be. You want to bring them to see him so you can see:
1.) Do they treat horses nicely?
2.) Do they know what they are doing?
3.) Do they see horses as creatures, not property?
4.) Are they lying about there great facility?
5.) Would they train all 45 days or just when they get around to it?
Good luck!
if this really includs feed then $450 is a very good deal. a friend of mine paid $350 for 30 days so if you are comfortable then go ahead. it is a average price for traning. Good Luck
That is an amazing deal! Board at my barn costs more than that for a month and training costs almost double that. As long as you trust them, I would give it a go. I would probably let them come take a look to give them an idea. I would at least suggest it to see if they want to.
i just had a 2yr old broke in 30 days backs out the trailer when just sayng (back up ) ride her , shoe her ect. payed $300 or $10 a day. they have to ride every day and train after that u have to take over.
That seems like a good price to me. Here in South Dakota when I was looking into getting a horse I had trained, the going price was $600 for 30 days. So to me $450 for 45 days seems like a deal. Don't forget to get references from other people who have used this trainer and ask how many other horses they will be working in this 45 day period. My horse is extremely energetic and 30 days did fine for him. Best of luck to you =)
that is a very good price. you could send him there for 45 days and if you want more training on him after that you could keep him there for another 45 days.
deffinatly get the trainer to come out and see the horse he/she may have more then they think!
$450 is a really good price if they are going to get the horse under saddle, very reasonable. As with everything, prices very around the country but ths is not high.
Just make sure that your training agreement covers what is expected of the horse, in writing and signed by both parties, in that 45 days training. This way, you know what to expect back and the trainer knows what you are expecting to get. A lot can be done in 45 days! But, find out what their "days" consist of, 10 minutes a day or 2 hours a day?
THATS A REALLY GOOD PRICE, HEAR IN CALIFORNIA WHERE I OWN A TRAINING FACILITY WE NORMALY CHARGE ANYWHERE FROM 400-600 FOR THE FIRST 30 DAYS BUT RECOMEND AT LEAST 60-90 DAYS DEPENDING ON THE HORSH THEN LESSONS WITH THE HORSE AND OWNER.
Friday, May 8, 2009
!Critique My Horseback Riding!?
I am a 3 foot equitation rider with my horse which is the bay in the pics (but jump the chestnut horse 3'6''). Please critique my riding not my horses, the big bay is only 5 and he belongs to me. He is a fancy hunter in training so he doesnt jump "perfect" yet. The chestnut is not mine but a horse i half lease. He is a seasoned hunter/jumper (he goes back and forth). Constructive critisism and DO NOT CRITIQUE MY HORSES! here are the links for the pics of my.
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You look like you have a lot of experience riding and showing horses! You , allong with many other equitation, hunter and jumper riders have adopted some of the "stylish" flaws that many riders display.
Eqpecially in the first picture, but the third as well, you seen to be jumping WAY ahead of the horse. In the first picture your upper body is leaning on your horse's neck so much so that he cannot jump as well as he probably could if you had a more effective position. Because you are so far forward, your centre of gravity is in front of your horse and causing you to pivot at the knee, where you seem to be a little grippy. This is throwing your lower leg back FAR behing the girth. This is probably your most major flaw and is putting you in quite a precarious position should your horse decide to refuse a jump, put a chip in or land akwardly. Once you fix this i think that it should make your horse jump in great form. Not to criticize either of them by the way...ust saying that it may help their training to move along much faster!
Okay so now that i got that out of the way, there are some other things that you need to work on. In order of importance:
your lower leg, your release and your toes.
In most of the piictures you leg has slipped back considerably. You look to be gripping with your knees(don't worry i have the same problem...lol) and this causes your lower leg to bee loose and your upper body to be thrown out of the saddle much more than needed. To fix this try putting your heels down as much as your body will allow and spread the pressure in your knees all along your inner leg. This means your thigh, knee, inner calf, heel...etc... Also in the first picture you toes are pointing out like airplane wings! The others they look fine though. I am not sure if it is just a one time thing...but i know for me it is a bad habit...only good for knocking down standards...lol. So to fix this I would do what George Morris always suggests and angle your stirrup iron on your foot so that the outsise branch of the iron is near you pinkey toe and the bottom of the iron is angled on the ball of your foot. This will force you to hold your toes more inward.
Alright...now onto your release. It is a prety good long crest release. You are freeing you horses' mouthes and giving them lots of rein! The only thing you are doing wrong is that your hands are more on top of his crest indtead of on the sides of his crest. You look like an experienced rider and i think that you would be better off doing an automatic release. I don't know what your coach teaches you but George Morrris and my coach both support it. You probably already now what it s but i'll explain it just in case you don't. An automatic release is a very effective release wher instead of resting you hands on your horses' neck you lower them about 6 inches to the side of his neck. This is for balanced and experianced riders only as it does not give your upper body anwhere to rest or get support from. In this release you let your hands softly follow your horses' mouth and keep a slight but loose contact wiith your horse's mouth. This releasee gives you much more control upon landing which you will need for tight turns and rollbacks in a course of jumps. It will also let you horse stretch his neck and jump very round which as i am sure you know is what we all strive for.
On the plus side your head and eyes are up and looking towards the next jump. It looks GREAT! You are aso great with your back and neither hollowing or roaching it. Its a very thin line between the two but you have found the perfect and most effective balance. Your horses both look bery happy with you on them and this makes you look even better. Keep it up! I know that i was very hard on you but i think that any good rider can accept that everyone has flaws. BUT they also have great things about how they ride! You and your horse both look great and happy and i am SURE you win tons of ribbons! If you fix these tings i think you could win even more!!! GOOD LUCK! I hope you appreciated the critique and that i wasn't to critical...theres no such thing as the perfect rider despite what many people think.
It seems like you're a bit far forward, okay really far forward, it might just be the pictures but you look like you're actually on his neck in two of them. And you've got your butt really high out of the saddle and forward, I don't know if it's just my trainer but she's always on us not to get too far up and too keep our butts to the back of the saddle so we don't fall forward. I would say arch your back and get your shoulders back a bit more, but that's just my opinion and I'm far from a pro.
By the way, you do look great, it's just those few things that I could find wrong, and I'm not even sure if they're really wrong. You definitely need to get off of his neck a bit though.
Wow your excellent not much i think you need to work on. One thing is make sure you sink all the way down through your heels but that could have just been an uncomfortable position (last picture) or something because you look awesome! : ) you have a nice release too. One thing is my trainer always says- try not to be "flat" on the horses neck but you dont look to flat just a little pointer. : )
your a great ride! keep up the good work
Your release looks great too!
You look like a great rider and I though I would say that your horses are beautiful and it looks like they love to jump!!
You look great, but try not to lean so muck on your horses neck. i could c that your elbows are touching the neck to try to hold that twopoint useing your legs and you could have arm support. just not the whole arm, try the hands... But you look pretty good.
I think you look amazing! Nice head, looking forward and up to the next jump. You have a great back, great legs.
But in the first and third picture, it seems as if you could bring you crotch a little more back behind the pommel. Your not jumping ahead of the horse. Just try to raise yourself up and not go on the horses neck.
Gorgeous horses!
the first one your lower leg slipped back and you are too low on the horse's neck.
the other ones are nice.
obviously a very skilled rider - the only flaw is getting a little too far out of the saddle/the lower leg sliding back. the heel should be aligned under the hip.
George Morris would probably like #2 best. ;-)
u and ur horse looks great%26#92;
but sit a lil lower
you look great for the most part, i would agree with the sinking a bit more weight into the heels to help bring your crotch a little farther back from the pommel, but holy! im lovin the release! some people might say its a bit far forward but for young horses in training its awesome to see the hands on the neck and its ok to lean a little on them for support (george morris said so haha). you look a heck of a lot better then me!
The horses are gorgeous!
My only real criticism is the crest release, I prefer to see the hand go forward with the contact on the rein. That is to say, I think the line of communication is maintained more efficiently if there is a straight line from the riders elbow, through the hand and down the rein to the bit. The crest release that you are using can cause the rider to lean on the horses neck, which adds weight to the forehand, making it more difficult for the horse to lift the forehand and use it's shoulders effectively. Many trainers teach the crest release to save the horses mouth, but as a rider develops, the automatic release should be developed.
In the first photo, you have lost your leg position by pivoting on your knee. The reason you appear to have maintained such a good upper body position is because you have relied on the horses neck (using the crest release).
There is only one correct technique: the automatic release, which, in keeping with excellent riding, preserves the straight line between the elbow and the bit. Unfortunately, only the top few percentage of riders can perform it successfully. The automatic release takes a tremendous amount of upper body balance. Upper body balance cannot be developed, or maintained, without the rider having learned to fully control the lower leg and seat.
That being said, the crest release is a legitimate riding technique! To save our horses鈥?mouths, the crest release allows those riders who are inexperienced or who do not have the balance it takes to do the automatic release to jump and compete and even win.
Personally I wouldn't know what the correct position is for jumping, but you seem great and a talented horse rider. You horse is BEAUTIFUL!! I wish I was able to jump. I've only just started horse riding this year, and lol-can only trot at the moment! I haven't been for bout 2 months now coz I need a new instructor as my last one got a job elsewhere, and I've been nagging mum and dad since because this is a sport I REALLY want to keep at! It's heaps of fun!! Good luck with your riding!!
in the last photo you are way to forward in the presition you nead to have your bum more inline with the back of the saddle
i think in one of the pictures ur back is quite arched it neads to be flat
you hand seen to b resting on th eh orseing neak on the last photo
your legs nead to be ferther back you heal should be inline with the ceter of your back
mabye you should get monthly horse ride lesson to clear up these habit other than that ur a reali gd rider with 2 (well 1 and a half) amasing horse with lotsof pretental ur v lucky cu sim not alound my own horse cus it "to much responsabilaty" v unfair
Let's see...
Many people have said that you are too far forward in the saddle- this is true. But I think most of what is causing this is your leg position. It's too far back (it's most obvious in the first picture). Sinking down into your heels more will probably help you fix this.
In the second picture, your reins were really uneven. But, I don't know if you stumbled right before and had to recollect, because it was fine in the other pictures.
But other than that, I couldn't find much wrong! Good job and good luck with your hunter.
Each pic has +'s and -'s.
Here are some strong points that I see:
-Looking up
-Flat back in 2 of the pictures.
-Closed hands
-Nice crest release
-Heels down
-Beautiful presentation on the bay! All I can say is that the heels of your boots in the middle picture could use a touch up of polish and a collared polo shirt, belt and gloves would look more professional on the chestnut.
Here are some faults I see:
-Piviting on knees causing lower leg to slide back and your upper body to fall forward. (Don't pinch your knees). Although in the middle picture you're with your horse, it still looks like you're pinching with your knees.
-Toe pointing out in one picture.
-Stirrup on the toe, not on the ball of the foot in one picture.
I would say that you should start working on the auto release. I think this might help your knees to relax because you'll be asking your body to work independently (in other words, your hands, arms, legs, etc will work independently.)
Thanks for sharing! Now I feel like sharing my jumping pictures so that you can critique me too... Do I dare?
http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z186/...
http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z186/...
http://s191.photobucket.com/albums/z186/...
Answers:
You look like you have a lot of experience riding and showing horses! You , allong with many other equitation, hunter and jumper riders have adopted some of the "stylish" flaws that many riders display.
Eqpecially in the first picture, but the third as well, you seen to be jumping WAY ahead of the horse. In the first picture your upper body is leaning on your horse's neck so much so that he cannot jump as well as he probably could if you had a more effective position. Because you are so far forward, your centre of gravity is in front of your horse and causing you to pivot at the knee, where you seem to be a little grippy. This is throwing your lower leg back FAR behing the girth. This is probably your most major flaw and is putting you in quite a precarious position should your horse decide to refuse a jump, put a chip in or land akwardly. Once you fix this i think that it should make your horse jump in great form. Not to criticize either of them by the way...ust saying that it may help their training to move along much faster!
Okay so now that i got that out of the way, there are some other things that you need to work on. In order of importance:
your lower leg, your release and your toes.
In most of the piictures you leg has slipped back considerably. You look to be gripping with your knees(don't worry i have the same problem...lol) and this causes your lower leg to bee loose and your upper body to be thrown out of the saddle much more than needed. To fix this try putting your heels down as much as your body will allow and spread the pressure in your knees all along your inner leg. This means your thigh, knee, inner calf, heel...etc... Also in the first picture you toes are pointing out like airplane wings! The others they look fine though. I am not sure if it is just a one time thing...but i know for me it is a bad habit...only good for knocking down standards...lol. So to fix this I would do what George Morris always suggests and angle your stirrup iron on your foot so that the outsise branch of the iron is near you pinkey toe and the bottom of the iron is angled on the ball of your foot. This will force you to hold your toes more inward.
Alright...now onto your release. It is a prety good long crest release. You are freeing you horses' mouthes and giving them lots of rein! The only thing you are doing wrong is that your hands are more on top of his crest indtead of on the sides of his crest. You look like an experienced rider and i think that you would be better off doing an automatic release. I don't know what your coach teaches you but George Morrris and my coach both support it. You probably already now what it s but i'll explain it just in case you don't. An automatic release is a very effective release wher instead of resting you hands on your horses' neck you lower them about 6 inches to the side of his neck. This is for balanced and experianced riders only as it does not give your upper body anwhere to rest or get support from. In this release you let your hands softly follow your horses' mouth and keep a slight but loose contact wiith your horse's mouth. This releasee gives you much more control upon landing which you will need for tight turns and rollbacks in a course of jumps. It will also let you horse stretch his neck and jump very round which as i am sure you know is what we all strive for.
On the plus side your head and eyes are up and looking towards the next jump. It looks GREAT! You are aso great with your back and neither hollowing or roaching it. Its a very thin line between the two but you have found the perfect and most effective balance. Your horses both look bery happy with you on them and this makes you look even better. Keep it up! I know that i was very hard on you but i think that any good rider can accept that everyone has flaws. BUT they also have great things about how they ride! You and your horse both look great and happy and i am SURE you win tons of ribbons! If you fix these tings i think you could win even more!!! GOOD LUCK! I hope you appreciated the critique and that i wasn't to critical...theres no such thing as the perfect rider despite what many people think.
It seems like you're a bit far forward, okay really far forward, it might just be the pictures but you look like you're actually on his neck in two of them. And you've got your butt really high out of the saddle and forward, I don't know if it's just my trainer but she's always on us not to get too far up and too keep our butts to the back of the saddle so we don't fall forward. I would say arch your back and get your shoulders back a bit more, but that's just my opinion and I'm far from a pro.
By the way, you do look great, it's just those few things that I could find wrong, and I'm not even sure if they're really wrong. You definitely need to get off of his neck a bit though.
Wow your excellent not much i think you need to work on. One thing is make sure you sink all the way down through your heels but that could have just been an uncomfortable position (last picture) or something because you look awesome! : ) you have a nice release too. One thing is my trainer always says- try not to be "flat" on the horses neck but you dont look to flat just a little pointer. : )
your a great ride! keep up the good work
Your release looks great too!
You look like a great rider and I though I would say that your horses are beautiful and it looks like they love to jump!!
You look great, but try not to lean so muck on your horses neck. i could c that your elbows are touching the neck to try to hold that twopoint useing your legs and you could have arm support. just not the whole arm, try the hands... But you look pretty good.
I think you look amazing! Nice head, looking forward and up to the next jump. You have a great back, great legs.
But in the first and third picture, it seems as if you could bring you crotch a little more back behind the pommel. Your not jumping ahead of the horse. Just try to raise yourself up and not go on the horses neck.
Gorgeous horses!
the first one your lower leg slipped back and you are too low on the horse's neck.
the other ones are nice.
obviously a very skilled rider - the only flaw is getting a little too far out of the saddle/the lower leg sliding back. the heel should be aligned under the hip.
George Morris would probably like #2 best. ;-)
u and ur horse looks great%26#92;
but sit a lil lower
you look great for the most part, i would agree with the sinking a bit more weight into the heels to help bring your crotch a little farther back from the pommel, but holy! im lovin the release! some people might say its a bit far forward but for young horses in training its awesome to see the hands on the neck and its ok to lean a little on them for support (george morris said so haha). you look a heck of a lot better then me!
The horses are gorgeous!
My only real criticism is the crest release, I prefer to see the hand go forward with the contact on the rein. That is to say, I think the line of communication is maintained more efficiently if there is a straight line from the riders elbow, through the hand and down the rein to the bit. The crest release that you are using can cause the rider to lean on the horses neck, which adds weight to the forehand, making it more difficult for the horse to lift the forehand and use it's shoulders effectively. Many trainers teach the crest release to save the horses mouth, but as a rider develops, the automatic release should be developed.
In the first photo, you have lost your leg position by pivoting on your knee. The reason you appear to have maintained such a good upper body position is because you have relied on the horses neck (using the crest release).
There is only one correct technique: the automatic release, which, in keeping with excellent riding, preserves the straight line between the elbow and the bit. Unfortunately, only the top few percentage of riders can perform it successfully. The automatic release takes a tremendous amount of upper body balance. Upper body balance cannot be developed, or maintained, without the rider having learned to fully control the lower leg and seat.
That being said, the crest release is a legitimate riding technique! To save our horses鈥?mouths, the crest release allows those riders who are inexperienced or who do not have the balance it takes to do the automatic release to jump and compete and even win.
Personally I wouldn't know what the correct position is for jumping, but you seem great and a talented horse rider. You horse is BEAUTIFUL!! I wish I was able to jump. I've only just started horse riding this year, and lol-can only trot at the moment! I haven't been for bout 2 months now coz I need a new instructor as my last one got a job elsewhere, and I've been nagging mum and dad since because this is a sport I REALLY want to keep at! It's heaps of fun!! Good luck with your riding!!
in the last photo you are way to forward in the presition you nead to have your bum more inline with the back of the saddle
i think in one of the pictures ur back is quite arched it neads to be flat
you hand seen to b resting on th eh orseing neak on the last photo
your legs nead to be ferther back you heal should be inline with the ceter of your back
mabye you should get monthly horse ride lesson to clear up these habit other than that ur a reali gd rider with 2 (well 1 and a half) amasing horse with lotsof pretental ur v lucky cu sim not alound my own horse cus it "to much responsabilaty" v unfair
Let's see...
Many people have said that you are too far forward in the saddle- this is true. But I think most of what is causing this is your leg position. It's too far back (it's most obvious in the first picture). Sinking down into your heels more will probably help you fix this.
In the second picture, your reins were really uneven. But, I don't know if you stumbled right before and had to recollect, because it was fine in the other pictures.
But other than that, I couldn't find much wrong! Good job and good luck with your hunter.
Each pic has +'s and -'s.
Here are some strong points that I see:
-Looking up
-Flat back in 2 of the pictures.
-Closed hands
-Nice crest release
-Heels down
-Beautiful presentation on the bay! All I can say is that the heels of your boots in the middle picture could use a touch up of polish and a collared polo shirt, belt and gloves would look more professional on the chestnut.
Here are some faults I see:
-Piviting on knees causing lower leg to slide back and your upper body to fall forward. (Don't pinch your knees). Although in the middle picture you're with your horse, it still looks like you're pinching with your knees.
-Toe pointing out in one picture.
-Stirrup on the toe, not on the ball of the foot in one picture.
I would say that you should start working on the auto release. I think this might help your knees to relax because you'll be asking your body to work independently (in other words, your hands, arms, legs, etc will work independently.)
Thanks for sharing! Now I feel like sharing my jumping pictures so that you can critique me too... Do I dare?
!!WARNING!! HORSE THEIVES!! I have just had news that horse theives are opperating! microchip to be safe??
HORSE THEIVES ARE OPPERATING IN THE AREA! BEWEAR!! i have jst had a few worrieing texts that horse theives are opperating and my friends girlfriends horse has been stolen along with 5 others of a yard of 30 close to wear i keep my horse, as you can understand i am fraught with concern!! for my 2 horses, I want to have them either FREEZEMARKED or MICROCHIPED which is best and what are the costs involved, as you can understand it is vital i get the information soon so i can act upon it!! MANY THANKS
Answers:
May sound like overkill but I'd consider doing both.
A freezemark is instantly visable, which makes it a useful tool for disuading a thief. However, it is possible for this to be dyed over, and you rely on the goodness of the buyer of the horse to return the horse when it grows through.
The prices i found online for you are:
Prices quoted include freezemarking and first year's membership.
Single Horse 拢55.95
2-4 Horses 拢47.95
5-9 Horses 拢43.95
It may be worth getting a group of people together to do a freezemarking session.
A micro-chip identifies a horse if it is investigated, comes with registration papers which should show the name of the official owner of the animal. Any scrupulous buyer would check that the name ofthe seller and those on these documents match.
I can't find any information on how much it costs to chip a horse. I did my cats and dogs. The price varied from vet to vet for this.
Ask your vet, they'll be able to advise you the best.
Make sure your fences and gates are up to standard, you could lock the gate at night to deter / slow a thief down. Remove your horse's halter and make sure that the feed and water areas are not easily accessible from the fence.
If you are lucky enough to live next to your field, try alarming the gate, with something as simple as a window contact alarm, which once set, emits a loud noise when the gate is opened. This is a great deterent as it startles the thief, startles the horse (making it harder for a stranger to catch) and alerts anyone in the area.
I thought I could hear something rustling!
Not worried.... I'm a Monkey.
Would be helpful to know where they are operating.
How about calling a vet.
Horse thieves have been around as long as the horse has been domesticated. I would speak to your vet about BOTH as horses can be very difficult to trace and the mark is visible so might deter thieves and the microchip would make it easier to prove ownership if the horse was found.
i would do both and if you do freeze marking do it where the saddle dosent go on the neck i think is best, i cant remember how much it was for me but it wasnt to bad, micro chip shouldnt be to expensive either i live in spain and mine was 30 euros. if you cant afford both i would do freeze marking first.
Definitely do both. Freezemark on the neck where the saddle doesn't touch. The vet can microchip for under $100 per horse. Also, this may sound silly, but SLEEP WITH YOUR HORSES!! The theives will be scared and won't attempt to steal. Good luck!
-horsesrockfilly
i was told that freeze marking is best, because it is easily visible from far away. if your horse IS stolen, and a police officer sees it grazing in a pasture somewhere else, he legally can't go in there and get it or even check for a microchip on your horse without getting a search warrant! and of course by then the horse will probably have been moved. but if your horse is freeze-branded, it can be identified from the street, leaving NO DOUBT that the horse belongs to you. Then an officer would have 'probable cause' and would be able to go in and rescue your horse! Another bonus is that more horse thieves are finding out about this and will leave any freeze-branded horses in the pasture where they found them. insurance and identity in one!
but have it placed somewhere visible like the rump or shoulder, because somewhere like under the mane or inside the leg defeats the whole purpose of easy identity!
as far as the cost of it, i have no idea. a good place to start would of course be to call you vet for suggestoions.
I wish you the utmost safety!
Freeze branding is visible to people who don't have microchip readers handy.
If you decide to use a microchip, there are two kinds.
The 125 kHz chip is in common use in the US and is effective for identification. This is what was used to reunite horses lost during Hurricane Katrina with their owners.
The ISO 11784/11785 chip being pushed by USDA and the Equine Species Working Group is reprogrammable and not suitable for verified ID. I believe that those who are recommending the ISO chip have other motives than they claim.
You should actually do both because some horse stealers willreshape or add stuff over the brand to make it look like it is theirs
Freeze Brand. If the horse is sold for meat, the place they send them for shipping out of the country won't take them and investigators will find the owner.
horse thieves are operating in the north wales Cheshire area. They are using a white transit van with Irish plates and going onto yards trying to sell power washers, generators etc. Before you all start i,m not saying they from the local travelling communities i have no problem with travellers, in fact they are also being targeted. do not try to deal with these people call the police. Go on the bhs site and read the official notice. As far as microchip or freeze mark they have to be found before either of these can be used, but both as a precaution would be good
if you are so worried and want an answer straight away why not just go phone your vet!
i looked into a site on the net, where horses are shipped away and treated so badly before been killed the pictures were horrific, hooves caught in slats, no room for them, then just to be treated so bad till death. awful. Look after your horses, i haven't got any, but see to a couple down the road from me and i adore them sooo much. would love to buy them but worry about the cost of their up keep.
We to have thieves in our area (Nottinghamshire) We have it same time every year appleby just around the corner,All mine are freeze marked Not chipped,only because un less its suspected to be a stolen horse its not often they scan them... It really makes me more Angry that We were ALL told we had to buy Passports to stop this sort of thing going on As to sell an Equine you need a passport.But we all no its to easy to just send for a new one for horse in different name.
I agree with the others, freeze mark first on the shoulder, this cannot be hidden by a saddle then microchip.You must keep your gate firmly locked with as many padlocks as possible, and put up freeze branding warning signs. Do not leave any head collars and tack about. Make it hard and they will go somewear else. Check your horse as often as possible.
paddlock all gates and access areas, don't leave headcolelrs on - we had ppl nicking rugs off horses backs in my area - dorset / hants - my horse is hard to catch but i never leave his headcoller on!
Answers:
May sound like overkill but I'd consider doing both.
A freezemark is instantly visable, which makes it a useful tool for disuading a thief. However, it is possible for this to be dyed over, and you rely on the goodness of the buyer of the horse to return the horse when it grows through.
The prices i found online for you are:
Prices quoted include freezemarking and first year's membership.
Single Horse 拢55.95
2-4 Horses 拢47.95
5-9 Horses 拢43.95
It may be worth getting a group of people together to do a freezemarking session.
A micro-chip identifies a horse if it is investigated, comes with registration papers which should show the name of the official owner of the animal. Any scrupulous buyer would check that the name ofthe seller and those on these documents match.
I can't find any information on how much it costs to chip a horse. I did my cats and dogs. The price varied from vet to vet for this.
Ask your vet, they'll be able to advise you the best.
Make sure your fences and gates are up to standard, you could lock the gate at night to deter / slow a thief down. Remove your horse's halter and make sure that the feed and water areas are not easily accessible from the fence.
If you are lucky enough to live next to your field, try alarming the gate, with something as simple as a window contact alarm, which once set, emits a loud noise when the gate is opened. This is a great deterent as it startles the thief, startles the horse (making it harder for a stranger to catch) and alerts anyone in the area.
I thought I could hear something rustling!
Not worried.... I'm a Monkey.
Would be helpful to know where they are operating.
How about calling a vet.
Horse thieves have been around as long as the horse has been domesticated. I would speak to your vet about BOTH as horses can be very difficult to trace and the mark is visible so might deter thieves and the microchip would make it easier to prove ownership if the horse was found.
i would do both and if you do freeze marking do it where the saddle dosent go on the neck i think is best, i cant remember how much it was for me but it wasnt to bad, micro chip shouldnt be to expensive either i live in spain and mine was 30 euros. if you cant afford both i would do freeze marking first.
Definitely do both. Freezemark on the neck where the saddle doesn't touch. The vet can microchip for under $100 per horse. Also, this may sound silly, but SLEEP WITH YOUR HORSES!! The theives will be scared and won't attempt to steal. Good luck!
-horsesrockfilly
i was told that freeze marking is best, because it is easily visible from far away. if your horse IS stolen, and a police officer sees it grazing in a pasture somewhere else, he legally can't go in there and get it or even check for a microchip on your horse without getting a search warrant! and of course by then the horse will probably have been moved. but if your horse is freeze-branded, it can be identified from the street, leaving NO DOUBT that the horse belongs to you. Then an officer would have 'probable cause' and would be able to go in and rescue your horse! Another bonus is that more horse thieves are finding out about this and will leave any freeze-branded horses in the pasture where they found them. insurance and identity in one!
but have it placed somewhere visible like the rump or shoulder, because somewhere like under the mane or inside the leg defeats the whole purpose of easy identity!
as far as the cost of it, i have no idea. a good place to start would of course be to call you vet for suggestoions.
I wish you the utmost safety!
Freeze branding is visible to people who don't have microchip readers handy.
If you decide to use a microchip, there are two kinds.
The 125 kHz chip is in common use in the US and is effective for identification. This is what was used to reunite horses lost during Hurricane Katrina with their owners.
The ISO 11784/11785 chip being pushed by USDA and the Equine Species Working Group is reprogrammable and not suitable for verified ID. I believe that those who are recommending the ISO chip have other motives than they claim.
You should actually do both because some horse stealers willreshape or add stuff over the brand to make it look like it is theirs
Freeze Brand. If the horse is sold for meat, the place they send them for shipping out of the country won't take them and investigators will find the owner.
horse thieves are operating in the north wales Cheshire area. They are using a white transit van with Irish plates and going onto yards trying to sell power washers, generators etc. Before you all start i,m not saying they from the local travelling communities i have no problem with travellers, in fact they are also being targeted. do not try to deal with these people call the police. Go on the bhs site and read the official notice. As far as microchip or freeze mark they have to be found before either of these can be used, but both as a precaution would be good
if you are so worried and want an answer straight away why not just go phone your vet!
i looked into a site on the net, where horses are shipped away and treated so badly before been killed the pictures were horrific, hooves caught in slats, no room for them, then just to be treated so bad till death. awful. Look after your horses, i haven't got any, but see to a couple down the road from me and i adore them sooo much. would love to buy them but worry about the cost of their up keep.
We to have thieves in our area (Nottinghamshire) We have it same time every year appleby just around the corner,All mine are freeze marked Not chipped,only because un less its suspected to be a stolen horse its not often they scan them... It really makes me more Angry that We were ALL told we had to buy Passports to stop this sort of thing going on As to sell an Equine you need a passport.But we all no its to easy to just send for a new one for horse in different name.
I agree with the others, freeze mark first on the shoulder, this cannot be hidden by a saddle then microchip.You must keep your gate firmly locked with as many padlocks as possible, and put up freeze branding warning signs. Do not leave any head collars and tack about. Make it hard and they will go somewear else. Check your horse as often as possible.
paddlock all gates and access areas, don't leave headcolelrs on - we had ppl nicking rugs off horses backs in my area - dorset / hants - my horse is hard to catch but i never leave his headcoller on!
!!?!!?!!?
whats your fav color of horse?
Answers:
Palomino--firey gold and icy flaxen preferably
Chestnut--rich shiny red=best!
Black--glossy and glittering
Leopard coat Arab--just cute that way!
I love very light Palomino's, they're called Isabella Palominos and I actually own one. She's a real sweetheart.
Chestnut or Palomino,but I like a Paint horse,too.
I really have a liking for grey horses...Palomino has also grown on me after buying my current horse...
Black Bays. :)
I like all horse colours.
white (what ever grey)
pure black
chestnut
Palomino, since that's what my boy is, buckskin and gray. Chestnut with flaxen mane and tail is nice too.
palamino
I love sorrels, the ones that are a red gold color. they are very striking to me.
Answers:
Palomino--firey gold and icy flaxen preferably
Chestnut--rich shiny red=best!
Black--glossy and glittering
Leopard coat Arab--just cute that way!
I love very light Palomino's, they're called Isabella Palominos and I actually own one. She's a real sweetheart.
Chestnut or Palomino,but I like a Paint horse,too.
I really have a liking for grey horses...Palomino has also grown on me after buying my current horse...
Black Bays. :)
I like all horse colours.
white (what ever grey)
pure black
chestnut
Palomino, since that's what my boy is, buckskin and gray. Chestnut with flaxen mane and tail is nice too.
palamino
I love sorrels, the ones that are a red gold color. they are very striking to me.
- - - - Show names - - - -?
My mom has bred 2 of our best Eventers and now we have 2 apys!! They are about 7 wks old. One of their names is Spot ..
He has a leopard blanket. The other one's name is jasmine and she has a commen appy blanket.
This is jasmine and her big sis=)
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z16/l...
Spot .. hes cute!
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z16/l...
Spot has a spnky personality and jasmine has a sweet laid back one.
Spot LOVES attention. And he would do anything for it. He also LOVES to get his pictures taken. He could hear the shutter from a mile away if the camera was pointing to him! just kiddin'
BUT jasmine like to be groomed and made over but she doesn't exactly like the spotlight at the moment. She was the first one out of her and spot that would come up to us willingly.
Thanks I hope I've gave you enough!!
**Charline**
Answers:
That video was just precious. Brought me to tears.
Now for the names
How about for Spot:
Spot Me A Winner
Hit The Spot
Hot Spot (Like Hot Shot)
How about for Jasmine:
Genie In A Bottle-Barn name Jasmine (like in Aladdin)
Thats all I could think of fr her sorry.
Good looking horses, I hope all goes well!
Good Luck!
I think ur horses r adorable. I love horses so much and I loved urs. please put more photos of them on here so I can see them.
Wow! Great Horses! I'll bet they'll be in the Top 3! Congrats!!!!
They're beautiful Thanks for sharing .
wow this is really hard..for spot what about
spot me with love
and i dont know about jasmine srry but shes cute
For Spot:
Snap Shot
Simply Hot
AfterSpot
Spot-A-Dot (I couldn't help myself..xD)
For Jasmine:
Just My Style
All That Jazz
Jamocha
I don't know what the question was but the horses are nice.
hmmm apple and begeria
Whoa, Nice horses. Thanks for sharing, they are all really cute!
Spot: Spot Shot, Spotlight, Hot Shot, Spotty Shot,
Jasmine: Jazzy Bay, sorry that is all I can think of
Best Wishes!
For Spot
Spot Appy (like spot happy)
save me a spot
Spazzy Spot
Spot Me Silly
Jasmine
Jazzy Lady
Snazzy Jazz(y)
Jazz Spazz..lol
Great Pictures!
Names:
Hop on the Spot
Snap the 'Spot'light
Jasmine of the Valley
I like the Genie in the Bottle name too!
Showname for spot.
Everyones Spotlight.
Showname for Jasmine.
Queen Jasmine
Midnight Jasmine
I tried.
those are cute!
possible show names...
Connect the dots
Moving poetry
Proud to be appy
Dots of fun
Connect the spots
He has a leopard blanket. The other one's name is jasmine and she has a commen appy blanket.
This is jasmine and her big sis=)
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z16/l...
Spot .. hes cute!
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z16/l...
Spot has a spnky personality and jasmine has a sweet laid back one.
Spot LOVES attention. And he would do anything for it. He also LOVES to get his pictures taken. He could hear the shutter from a mile away if the camera was pointing to him! just kiddin'
BUT jasmine like to be groomed and made over but she doesn't exactly like the spotlight at the moment. She was the first one out of her and spot that would come up to us willingly.
Thanks I hope I've gave you enough!!
**Charline**
Answers:
That video was just precious. Brought me to tears.
Now for the names
How about for Spot:
Spot Me A Winner
Hit The Spot
Hot Spot (Like Hot Shot)
How about for Jasmine:
Genie In A Bottle-Barn name Jasmine (like in Aladdin)
Thats all I could think of fr her sorry.
Good looking horses, I hope all goes well!
Good Luck!
I think ur horses r adorable. I love horses so much and I loved urs. please put more photos of them on here so I can see them.
Wow! Great Horses! I'll bet they'll be in the Top 3! Congrats!!!!
They're beautiful Thanks for sharing .
wow this is really hard..for spot what about
spot me with love
and i dont know about jasmine srry but shes cute
For Spot:
Snap Shot
Simply Hot
AfterSpot
Spot-A-Dot (I couldn't help myself..xD)
For Jasmine:
Just My Style
All That Jazz
Jamocha
I don't know what the question was but the horses are nice.
hmmm apple and begeria
Whoa, Nice horses. Thanks for sharing, they are all really cute!
Spot: Spot Shot, Spotlight, Hot Shot, Spotty Shot,
Jasmine: Jazzy Bay, sorry that is all I can think of
Best Wishes!
For Spot
Spot Appy (like spot happy)
save me a spot
Spazzy Spot
Spot Me Silly
Jasmine
Jazzy Lady
Snazzy Jazz(y)
Jazz Spazz..lol
Great Pictures!
Names:
Hop on the Spot
Snap the 'Spot'light
Jasmine of the Valley
I like the Genie in the Bottle name too!
Showname for spot.
Everyones Spotlight.
Showname for Jasmine.
Queen Jasmine
Midnight Jasmine
I tried.
those are cute!
possible show names...
Connect the dots
Moving poetry
Proud to be appy
Dots of fun
Connect the spots
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